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<blockquote data-quote="Plane Sailing" data-source="post: 144512" data-attributes="member: 114"><p>2nd edition pretty much passed me by, and I was wondering if anyone could help me with a little game of mix and match.</p><p></p><p>My 1e Monster Manual has an excellent series of pictures of fiendish creatures but I'm left wondering how these map onto the 3e descriptions (since they stupidly didn't bother to give us illustrations of many of the demons and devils)</p><p></p><p>I presume name changes occurred during 2e, and so I'm left wondering how to map my 1e pictures onto the 3e MM descriptions? Are they (in order)</p><p></p><p>Barbed devil = Hamatula</p><p>Bone devil = Osyluth</p><p>Horned devil = Cornugon??</p><p>Ice devil = Gelugon</p><p>Pit Fiend = Pit Fiend (Duh)</p><p></p><p>And for the demons:</p><p></p><p>Manes = Dretch</p><p>Type I = Vrock</p><p>Type II = Hezrou</p><p>Type III = Glabrezu</p><p>Type IV = Nalfeshnee</p><p>Type V = Marilith</p><p>Type VI = Balor</p><p></p><p>===</p><p>In passing, I must note that the 3e Monster Manual falls behind both of the earlier monster manuals in terms of organisation and usability. Why oh why didn't they give each creature a title, a picture, a stat block, descriptive text and then some flavour text (like the 2e MM had). Rather than the sad mish-mash which we have now, with pictures adrift from their associated text (and often completely ignoring the description e.g. <strong>Stirge</strong> (bat wings, 8 legs, picture has 4 wings?!? and 4 legs); <strong>Spider eater</strong> (resembles "giant, two legged wasp". Drawn with a spiders head?!?); <strong>Grick</strong> (dull grey underbelly, tentacles are segmented like the body of an earthworm. Drawn with a yellow underbelly and tentacles like an octopus);<strong>Allip</strong> ("looks more or less like it did in life but its features are distored in madness... from the waist down trails in vapourous nothingness". Drawn as a vaguly humanoid clump of black smog, no features); <strong>Mohrg</strong> (looks like a gaunt, nearly skeletal corpse, easily mistaken for a zombie or ghoul. Long cartilaginous tongue. Pictured as a skeleton with a purple worm-thing animating its arms and coming through its mouth).</p><p></p><p>I'm getting depressed.</p><p></p><p>I wonder if anything ever came of the quiz that WotC did, asking what people thought of different MM layouts?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Plane Sailing, post: 144512, member: 114"] 2nd edition pretty much passed me by, and I was wondering if anyone could help me with a little game of mix and match. My 1e Monster Manual has an excellent series of pictures of fiendish creatures but I'm left wondering how these map onto the 3e descriptions (since they stupidly didn't bother to give us illustrations of many of the demons and devils) I presume name changes occurred during 2e, and so I'm left wondering how to map my 1e pictures onto the 3e MM descriptions? Are they (in order) Barbed devil = Hamatula Bone devil = Osyluth Horned devil = Cornugon?? Ice devil = Gelugon Pit Fiend = Pit Fiend (Duh) And for the demons: Manes = Dretch Type I = Vrock Type II = Hezrou Type III = Glabrezu Type IV = Nalfeshnee Type V = Marilith Type VI = Balor === In passing, I must note that the 3e Monster Manual falls behind both of the earlier monster manuals in terms of organisation and usability. Why oh why didn't they give each creature a title, a picture, a stat block, descriptive text and then some flavour text (like the 2e MM had). Rather than the sad mish-mash which we have now, with pictures adrift from their associated text (and often completely ignoring the description e.g. [b]Stirge[/b] (bat wings, 8 legs, picture has 4 wings?!? and 4 legs); [b]Spider eater[/b] (resembles "giant, two legged wasp". Drawn with a spiders head?!?); [b]Grick[/b] (dull grey underbelly, tentacles are segmented like the body of an earthworm. Drawn with a yellow underbelly and tentacles like an octopus);[b]Allip[/b] ("looks more or less like it did in life but its features are distored in madness... from the waist down trails in vapourous nothingness". Drawn as a vaguly humanoid clump of black smog, no features); [b]Mohrg[/b] (looks like a gaunt, nearly skeletal corpse, easily mistaken for a zombie or ghoul. Long cartilaginous tongue. Pictured as a skeleton with a purple worm-thing animating its arms and coming through its mouth). I'm getting depressed. I wonder if anything ever came of the quiz that WotC did, asking what people thought of different MM layouts? [/QUOTE]
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