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Message: <blockquote data-quote="frankthedm" data-source="post: 3006055" data-attributes="member: 1164">It looked to me the OP is trying to squeeze more out the summon monster spells. If the DM goes with your suggestion, the DM would assign the skills at cross class cost to the skills the DM felt appropriate for the creature and then the DM would select feats appropriate for the creature such as Iron will and Alertness along with other feats that are used in Animal and dire animal listings to shore up holes in their capabilities. The DM should also look at the vermin’s stat blocks looking for the “built in feats” and make the critter ‘honest’ by assigning that actual feat since it had the benefit already; Racial bonuses to skills get dropped 3 point and skill focus is assigned, racial bonuses to poison DC’s that are dropped 2 points and it takes ability focus poison and Improved natural attack on the giant stag beetle since it already has it with that 4d6 bite!.Most vermin got their feats already.</blockquote>