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<blockquote data-quote="Felon" data-source="post: 5119052" data-attributes="member: 8158"><p>If you're going to impugn Zaeed's leadership because he was betrayed by his merc buddy, then you can also toss out [spoiler]Garrus who was similarly betrayed, similarly maimed, and who got his last squad slaughtered wholesale, thus resulting in nobody being around to attest to what a superlative leader he is[/spoiler]. And then there's our other "stellar" choice, [spoiler]Cerberus dog Miranda who is distrusted by many of her teammates (Jack points this out right before you are presented with a choice)[/spoiler]. Your knocks against picking Zaeed strike me as argumentative given that just about every character comes on board with baggage packed full of regrets and failures, and only Shepard can claim to have everyone's loyalty. Since the team covers the ideological spectrum from selfless saint to mass murderer, you can't pick a stellar leader that everyone's going to be inspired by, so just go for tactical experience, tenacity, and ideological neutrality. Seems pretty reasonable to me.</p><p></p><p></p><p>There are not many variations at all. Not "many", not "several", or even a "few", if we're taking those terms literally. In the leadership role, you need to pick [spoiler]Garrus or Miranda if you don't want a corpse[/spoiler]. Then you're asked to pick another leader...but it's [spoiler]Garrus and Miranda again (with Jacob--who has never beend presented as a strong leader before--thrown is as a spare). So, you might as well just stick with what you picked before[/spoiler]. </p><p></p><p>Likewise, there are [spoiler]two correct choices for biotics expert (Jack and Samara) and two choices for tech expert (Legion and Tali). At least the latter choice is fairly cut-and-dried[/spoiler]. However, it's especially counter-intuitive that [spoiler]Mordin isn't suitable for any of those roles. He has both squad leadership experience and he's a tech expert (and not just in an abstract sense: his powers are all tech powers).[/spoiler]. </p><p></p><p>Here's the matrix for suicide-mission survival. Hold on to your socks: </p><p></p><p>[sblock=Felon]1) Buy every upgrade that you got a from a character. 2) Do all loyalty missions. 3) After doing any kind of mission (even a five-minute quickie you got from a planet scan), talk to everyone you did a loyalty mission for. Repeat until they run out of things to say. 4) When presented with choosing someone for a role, don't overthink, just cross your fingers and try to pick one of the two choices that Bioware decided you must pick.[/sblock]</p><p></p><p>Pretty breathtaking in its complexity, eh? What I had hoped was that my choice would shape the parameters for the mission, like how much time I have to complete an objective, or the path I have to take to it. But you're not picking a teammate to be a mitigating factor, you're just picking a survivor or a corpse.</p><p></p><p>[spoiler]</p><p></p><p>If you're talking about the two scenes that I think you're talking about, that's [spoiler]not about succeeding in the suicide mission. That's about succeeding in romance (granted, both require loyalty)[/spoiler].[/spoiler]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Felon, post: 5119052, member: 8158"] If you're going to impugn Zaeed's leadership because he was betrayed by his merc buddy, then you can also toss out [spoiler]Garrus who was similarly betrayed, similarly maimed, and who got his last squad slaughtered wholesale, thus resulting in nobody being around to attest to what a superlative leader he is[/spoiler]. And then there's our other "stellar" choice, [spoiler]Cerberus dog Miranda who is distrusted by many of her teammates (Jack points this out right before you are presented with a choice)[/spoiler]. Your knocks against picking Zaeed strike me as argumentative given that just about every character comes on board with baggage packed full of regrets and failures, and only Shepard can claim to have everyone's loyalty. Since the team covers the ideological spectrum from selfless saint to mass murderer, you can't pick a stellar leader that everyone's going to be inspired by, so just go for tactical experience, tenacity, and ideological neutrality. Seems pretty reasonable to me. There are not many variations at all. Not "many", not "several", or even a "few", if we're taking those terms literally. In the leadership role, you need to pick [spoiler]Garrus or Miranda if you don't want a corpse[/spoiler]. Then you're asked to pick another leader...but it's [spoiler]Garrus and Miranda again (with Jacob--who has never beend presented as a strong leader before--thrown is as a spare). So, you might as well just stick with what you picked before[/spoiler]. Likewise, there are [spoiler]two correct choices for biotics expert (Jack and Samara) and two choices for tech expert (Legion and Tali). At least the latter choice is fairly cut-and-dried[/spoiler]. However, it's especially counter-intuitive that [spoiler]Mordin isn't suitable for any of those roles. He has both squad leadership experience and he's a tech expert (and not just in an abstract sense: his powers are all tech powers).[/spoiler]. Here's the matrix for suicide-mission survival. Hold on to your socks: [sblock=Felon]1) Buy every upgrade that you got a from a character. 2) Do all loyalty missions. 3) After doing any kind of mission (even a five-minute quickie you got from a planet scan), talk to everyone you did a loyalty mission for. Repeat until they run out of things to say. 4) When presented with choosing someone for a role, don't overthink, just cross your fingers and try to pick one of the two choices that Bioware decided you must pick.[/sblock] Pretty breathtaking in its complexity, eh? What I had hoped was that my choice would shape the parameters for the mission, like how much time I have to complete an objective, or the path I have to take to it. But you're not picking a teammate to be a mitigating factor, you're just picking a survivor or a corpse. [spoiler] If you're talking about the two scenes that I think you're talking about, that's [spoiler]not about succeeding in the suicide mission. That's about succeeding in romance (granted, both require loyalty)[/spoiler].[/spoiler] [/QUOTE]
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