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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GM Dave" data-source="post: 5895471" data-attributes="member: 6687992">I think that this #6 point misses the Wizard's strongest weapon.The Wizard's tool box of spells.Straight up with a Wizard flinging damage spells compared to a fighter then the fighter is going to win.  Even in 3e the fighter usually beat the Evocation Wizard in high level play for damage because the fighter had enough attacks and added enough bonuses on to each hit.I've done several high level Fighters, Paladins, and Rangers that would beat out the rest of the party's Evocation style Wizards due the per melee cycle of attacks of damage with the right equipment augmenting the attacks.The Wizard doesn't fight 'fair'.  He flies around using improved invisibility and maybe a modifier on stealth.  He dimension doors around releasing attacks from crazy angles and places.  He shuts you into boxes of iron with no holes and lets you die of suffocation.  He brings along demons and elementals to the fight.  He stands behind walls of prismatic colours and watches his delayed blast explode at your feat and then time stops to do it again.</blockquote>