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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5895654" data-attributes="member: 87792">It's when you enter the endgame (give or take a level depending on the class).&nbsp; It's when you are at name level.&nbsp; It's when you stop rolling for hit points.&nbsp; It's also when the fighters get castles, the thieves get guilds, and the wizards get towers.&nbsp; As class features.&nbsp; Yes a lot of groups abandoned it and it was given up by TSR in 2e before being taken out of the game by WoTC because it wasn't popular.&nbsp; But &quot;By this axe I rule&quot; was (according to old geezer on rpg.net who was at both Gygax's and Arneson's tables) intended to be and actually was the endgame for D&amp;D.&nbsp;&nbsp;In 1st, 10th is when you start getting given castles and towers and reach name level.&nbsp; At 1st you are trained and bloodied - either as a caster you can cast spells or as a fighter you're actually a veteran who's survived a battle or two.&nbsp; Level names helped.In other editions it's much more nebulous.&nbsp;[quoet]AD&amp;D stopped at 10th? News to me.</blockquote>No.&nbsp; It was the endgame.&nbsp; Not the end of the game.&nbsp; The game changed at that point by the rules and by the intent.&nbsp; However not everyone wanted to bother with dominioneering rather than dungeoneering.&nbsp;&nbsp;Cap the levels for the lower power options?&nbsp; Or just say you can't do it all with one system.&nbsp; I don't mind Arthur and Merlin.&nbsp; What I mind is Arthur and Dr. Strange.&nbsp; Merlin was a Bard and Gandalf only cast like a 4th level druid according to Dragon.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5895654, member: 87792"] It's when you enter the endgame (give or take a level depending on the class). It's when you are at name level. It's when you stop rolling for hit points. It's also when the fighters get castles, the thieves get guilds, and the wizards get towers. As class features. Yes a lot of groups abandoned it and it was given up by TSR in 2e before being taken out of the game by WoTC because it wasn't popular. But "By this axe I rule" was (according to old geezer on rpg.net who was at both Gygax's and Arneson's tables) intended to be and actually was the endgame for D&D. In 1st, 10th is when you start getting given castles and towers and reach name level. At 1st you are trained and bloodied - either as a caster you can cast spells or as a fighter you're actually a veteran who's survived a battle or two. Level names helped. In other editions it's much more nebulous. [quoet]AD&D stopped at 10th? News to me.[/quote] No. It was the [I]endgame[/I]. Not the end of the game. The game changed at that point by the rules and by the intent. However not everyone wanted to bother with dominioneering rather than dungeoneering. Cap the levels for the lower power options? Or just say you can't do it all with one system. I don't mind Arthur and Merlin. What I mind is Arthur and Dr. Strange. Merlin was a Bard and Gandalf only cast like a 4th level druid according to Dragon. [/QUOTE]

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