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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GM Dave" data-source="post: 5895717" data-attributes="member: 6687992">Really?In 1st ed my my level 10 fighter could attack and kill 10 goblins per round (they were in the 1 hit die category).  This was to allow Hero's to go into Battles and kill swaths of Men-at-Arms or the equivalent.In 3rd ed Fighters had Cleave and Whirlwind attack (with things like Bloody Road when you got up to higher levels or the Dervish Prestige class).  I ran a Reach specialized Dervish and I moved and hit many opponents a round.In 4ed, I'm not an expert on all the additional books that came out but from the core book that was first produced we have Encounter level 27 Cruel Reaper which allows you to hit everyone in a burst around, then shift, and do it again.  That is potentially 8 targets per attack for a total of 16 targets.At Epic level there are many ways to get that Encounter power back or to use it at second time and if you spend an Action point then you can do that Cruel Reaper and something else on the same round.Of course, Wizards have Encounter 27 powers that can affect Burst 5 (Prismatic Spray) or Blast 5 (Black fire).But minions are not a real problem in 4e if you have a Dragonborn on the team at level 1 they can do a blast 3 which could potentially wipe out 9 minions (equivalent in the system to two full opponents) with one breath attack.</blockquote>