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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Iosue" data-source="post: 5895722" data-attributes="member: 6680772">2e.  A 13+ level fighter with weapon specialization gets 5 attacks every two rounds.  Figure a STR 17, and a +1 sword, and they get a +3 to hit and +4 to damage.  Orcs have an AC of 6, and average hp of 4.5.  The fighter will hit on a 2 or better and do at least 5 points of damage no matter what his weapon.  The fighter probably has AC 0 by now, so the orcs will need a 19 or a 20 to hit him.  And the same goes for skeletons, let alone the weaker foes like kobolds, goblins, gibberlings, and most humans such as bandits and guards.  I think 2-3 of these type foes per round qualifies as waves.Also, BECMI.  BECMI fighters get an additional attack when they can hit their foes with a 2.  So now we have a 13th level fighter, with STR 17, a +1 sword, and an Expert level of Weapon Mastery (+4), let's say with a sword.  That's a +7 to-hit, which means any monster with AC of 2 or lower activates the fighter's additional attack.  He rolls 2d8+3 damage: 5-19 points of damage.  And if he inflicts max damage or disarms two opponents or isn't touched by an attack in a round, then he gets to force a morale check on 8 hit dice worth of creatures.  Two orcs guaranteed to go down every round, and eight of them running or surrendering after getting just a taste of his prowess.  Fighters also get another additional attack 24th level, and another at 36th level.And these are still conservative examples.  We're not talking fighters with 18 strength, or +3 magic weapons, or Grand Mastery of their weapon.  A 24th level fighter with 18 STR, a +3 sword, and Grand Mastery gets 3 attacks when facing enemies with an AC of -11 or worse, and does 2d6+14 points of damage (anything with 2 HD or less is killed at will).  Plus he does an additional point of damage for every level of AC worse than 9 (due to Dex or magical penalties).Even in older editions of D&D, some effort was made so that a relatively high-level fighter could mow down waves of cannon fodder.None of them.  Certainly not 4e.  Doesn't mean that 5e shouldn't be able to model high-memetic, romantic, and mythic heroes.Edit: And wow, this thread really moved along while I was typing that out...</blockquote>

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