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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 5897904" data-attributes="member: 996">I think part of the point of 5e is not to pick a direction, but to support many diverse styles.How so?  I remember the combat as war/sport thread, and I didn't find the implied superiority of one over the other a very compelling idea.  I'm sorry, but how are all 4e characters 'machines?'  I've had a good time RPing a number of character under the system, and never felt I was running a robot.  What exactly are you driving at?I'm not sure how that applies here, though.  The fighter described my Mr. Mearls is very much the classic AD&D fighter.  A number of numerical 'Bests' in basic combat ability, no out-of-combat ability even alluded to.  Even the more over the top stuff is actually pretty AD&D.  Mowing through armies?  An AD&D fighter could mow through less than 1 HD enemies, making 1 attack per round /per level/.  Standing up to a barrage of spells at high level?  Very AD&D: high-level fighters had phenomenal saves across the board.  About the only change is that it'll supposedly be less dependent on items.  That could just be a side effect of the "compressed math" of 5e - perhaps magic weapons and the like will only come in +1, for instance.  Missing out on a +1 because you're mowing through an army with a haunch of moose* instead of a +1 greataxe is not a huge deal.Well, if you can't hit interesting, flavorful, balanced, /and/ "Combat as War," maybe that says something about "Combat as War" as a litmus test for a game.  Why is it only a problem for the Fighter, though?  The fighter is a straightforward enough archetype, and in fiction and legend often does some very remarkable things.  Magic is a lot less consistent in genre, most often being very narrative in nature - wizards provide exposition, plot-enablement, and the occasional deus ex machina; evil sorcerers provide fearsome foes that are overcome in profoundly plot-driven narrative ways - all tropes very much at odds with CaW. * rep to the first one who gets this obscure old-school reference.</blockquote>

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