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<blockquote data-quote="Kurotowa" data-source="post: 9122375" data-attributes="member: 27957">You can't just design a highly unrealistic and specific scenario that's not like the actual game in any way and say &quot;the math proves I'm right&quot; as if the math is somehow objective. General arguments are one thing, but if you want the math to be on your side you have to account for complicating factors. Stuff like how like not every attack is a success so getting more out the hits you land is useful, and how many enemies have special abilities so killing them before they can use them is powerful, or the synergistic effect of an entire party of PCs going nova at once to end a fight immediately.I'm perfectly willing to enter into a debate on the relative value of offensive and defensive abilities sharing the same resource pool, but don't create a nonsense example that's nothing like the topic at hand and tell me the math proves me wrong. You might as well say, &quot;Rocks fall when you drop them, therefore science proves that it's impossible for humans to fly.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kurotowa, post: 9122375, member: 27957"] You can't just design a highly unrealistic and specific scenario that's not like the actual game in any way and say "the math proves I'm right" as if the math is somehow objective. General arguments are one thing, but if you want [I]the math[/I] to be on your side you have to account for complicating factors. Stuff like how like not every attack is a success so getting more out the hits you land is useful, and how many enemies have special abilities so killing them before they can use them is powerful, or the synergistic effect of an entire party of PCs going nova at once to end a fight immediately. I'm perfectly willing to enter into a debate on the relative value of offensive and defensive abilities sharing the same resource pool, but don't create a nonsense example that's nothing like the topic at hand and tell me [I]the math[/I] proves me wrong. You might as well say, "Rocks fall when you drop them, therefore science proves that it's impossible for humans to fly." [/QUOTE]

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