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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9123417" data-attributes="member: 18">Have we? I thought it was two or three. They go back further?I don't think that will mean much to WotC.  They've changed other classes and abilities that scored in the acceptable range, both for better and for worse. I don't think they'll delete them - put it like that - I'm sure they'll go into the game in some form. But several of them are extremely powerful, particularly topple, and whilst I want to see them go into the game, I just cannot believe WotC, who have consistently squashed the power of martial characters (and are continuing to do so with stuff like the WH Barbarian not getting THP for themselves and the Brawler Fighter generally), will let something like Topple actually get into the game.Even if they get say 80%+ approval in this round, I will be shocked if we don't see them back in pack 9 or 10, severely nerfed and asked to approve them, and they'll probably get approved.But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe WotC doesn't mind if martials get more powerful in combat. It's not impossible.And the main thing is, I hope you're right! I hope they go all the way through and any changes are improvements.</blockquote>