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<blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 49008" data-attributes="member: 111">On Dwarven Defender.What a high-risk class to take.&nbsp; Con +4 while defending - yikes!&nbsp; Let's say you are at 12th level - you've got 24 extra hit points.&nbsp; Sounds pretty cool, right?&nbsp; But if you stand there until you are below 24 hit points, you'll collapse below zero if you stop defending.&nbsp; But wait, it gets worse.&nbsp; If you stick it out hoping for victory and you go down to, say, 12 hit points, then stop defending (or go down to -1), you instantly die.&nbsp; No save, no nothing - you lose the 24 hit points you had gained, and drop below -10, deader than a door nail.This is even worse than barbarian rage, which can be argued continues even if the barabrian get reduced to -1 hit points while raging, giving at least some time for him to be rescued.&nbsp; A barbarian who needs healing to avoid dieing when coming out of a rage can move over to the healer, the Dwarven Defender who does the same dies before he reaches the healer because he loses his extra hit points as soon as he moves.This is a great class if you intend to stand in place an die - you'll delay the enemy a good long while with DR, d12 hit die and the extra hit points.&nbsp; Also its a good class if you don't use the Defensive Stance very much - but that seems like a zero sum game - here's a really cool ability - but you may not want to use it because you may die.Anyway - yeah, I think its a cool class, only the main class ability is kind of high risk - even more than the barbarian's rage.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Artoomis, post: 49008, member: 111"] On Dwarven Defender. What a high-risk class to take. Con +4 while defending - yikes! Let's say you are at 12th level - you've got 24 extra hit points. Sounds pretty cool, right? But if you stand there until you are below 24 hit points, you'll collapse below zero if you stop defending. But wait, it gets worse. If you stick it out hoping for victory and you go down to, say, 12 hit points, then stop defending (or go down to -1), you instantly die. No save, no nothing - you lose the 24 hit points you had gained, and drop below -10, deader than a door nail. This is even worse than barbarian rage, which can be argued continues even if the barabrian get reduced to -1 hit points while raging, giving at least some time for him to be rescued. A barbarian who needs healing to avoid dieing when coming out of a rage can move over to the healer, the Dwarven Defender who does the same dies before he reaches the healer because he loses his extra hit points as soon as he moves. This is a great class if you intend to stand in place an die - you'll delay the enemy a good long while with DR, d12 hit die and the extra hit points. Also its a good class if you don't use the Defensive Stance very much - but that seems like a zero sum game - here's a really cool ability - but you may not want to use it because you may die. Anyway - yeah, I think its a cool class, only the main class ability is kind of high risk - even more than the barbarian's rage. [/QUOTE]

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