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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JamesonCourage" data-source="post: 6056329" data-attributes="member: 6668292">Yes?Well, my group doesn't assign stats, so maybe that's a big part of where I'm coming from. We allow one switch, but that's it. I see what you mean.This is not my experience from my 3.0/3.5 days at all. It was 16-17 in your main stat. 18s were uncommon, but definitely around.I'll admit that most point-buy characters seem a little under where I like to see them. But I'm pretty unforgiving in play, so I like players being a little above "average" with their stats ("average" for the book methods). I also tended to start PCs off at level 2, rather than level 1, because of that.But I do get what you mean. It's certainly a play style thing. I was just saying what my group experienced, and what we prefer. We certainly prefer rolling stats over point-buy, though, which we don't use (and never have). We're ambivalent on arrays; it's an option that some players hesitantly take. As always, play what you like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>