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<blockquote data-quote="Particle_Man" data-source="post: 6056340" data-attributes="member: 892">Well this thread has been well and truly derailed.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />IME, when using rolled stats, class is picked after stats are rolled.&nbsp; The only exception I can think of is when using Method V (IIRC: the one in in Unearthed Arcana) for generating stats in 1st ed AD&amp;D. when one had to specify class.&nbsp; That said, I did have one DM that required one to roll 4d6 in order after choosing *race* (Again, this was his way of doing it and an explicit house rule.&nbsp; Again, it was 1st ed AD&amp;D, where too be fair, it was quite possible to gain a racial bonus in one stat that meant something and a racial penalty in another stat that meant nothing).But in 3rd ed?&nbsp; I have never encountered &quot;pick the class first&quot; whether in a point-buy, roll stats in order, or roll stats choose any order.And IMHO I would assume that my OP question would be orthogonal to whether one uses point-buy or rolled stats.&nbsp; If the classes would be balanced, then I don't see how the method of stat generation would matter to that balance.&nbsp; If the classes would not be balanced, then I don't see how the method of stat generation would matter to that lack of balance.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Particle_Man, post: 6056340, member: 892"] Well this thread has been well and truly derailed. :) IME, when using rolled stats, class is picked after stats are rolled. The only exception I can think of is when using Method V (IIRC: the one in in Unearthed Arcana) for generating stats in 1st ed AD&D. when one had to specify class. That said, I did have one DM that required one to roll 4d6 in order after choosing *race* (Again, this was his way of doing it and an explicit house rule. Again, it was 1st ed AD&D, where too be fair, it was quite possible to gain a racial bonus in one stat that meant something and a racial penalty in another stat that meant nothing). But in 3rd ed? I have never encountered "pick the class first" whether in a point-buy, roll stats in order, or roll stats choose any order. And IMHO I would assume that my OP question would be orthogonal to whether one uses point-buy or rolled stats. If the classes would be balanced, then I don't see how the method of stat generation would matter to that balance. If the classes would not be balanced, then I don't see how the method of stat generation would matter to that lack of balance. [/QUOTE]

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