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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 6970843" data-attributes="member: 7006">I don't know if we should really add the GWM part of your comment to the discussion since it's technically a feat and thus not a part of the baseline... but I do concede the baseline right now does include Grapple and Shove alongside Attack.  Personally... I just find that more... limited I guess... to what the baseline should be.  Now, you do in fact allow the addition of other stuff into the equation by including the Improvised action, which would certainly cover some things.  But I think that I just prefer the more solid baseline that all the Maneuvers demarcate as accomplishable and thus expand the martial menu out to more than just Attack, Grapple, Shove and Improvise Other Stuff (which presumably would cover things like Trip, Disarm, Parry etc.)They didn't the Paladin the ability of Goading Attack... instead they just invented a new spell that's only for him (Compelled Duel) which does exactly the same thing mechanically other than duration.  At that point, I just can't help but wonder why the Paladin shouldn't just be using the Maneuver system too if they wanted to just give those Maneuver powers to him anyway.</blockquote>