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<blockquote data-quote="OchreJelly" data-source="post: 4716554" data-attributes="member: 62056">I think there have been numerous examples in this thread.&nbsp; People have posted how a fighter can be on the same playing field as a wizard in terms of out-of-combat spells (flight, planeshifting, teleporting etc.).&nbsp; It costs them only a few feats if they want to be ritualists but they can do so if they want, rather than attempting to multiclass. Likewise, beyond scry/buff/teleport a lot of the things that made casters gods before have been downplayed.&nbsp; No more longterm buff sets, no invis casters flying constantly 600 feet from the fight.&nbsp; No long term combat flight really anywhere, no polymorph abuse, no army of summonables, no save-or-die.&nbsp; Strangely there's a lot more combat teleporting, but it doesn't really take anything from the fighter.&nbsp; &nbsp;Part of it of seeing it, however, will involve getting into the 4E mindset.&nbsp; The system supports much more cooperation amongst players.&nbsp; The fighter does his thing, and the wizard does his other thing.&nbsp; The other players at the table will both be grateful that both are there.&nbsp; I don't think there's a better way to get more concrete than that other than by suggesting to give it a play session or two.&nbsp; In play you really see it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="OchreJelly, post: 4716554, member: 62056"] I think there have been numerous examples in this thread. People have posted how a fighter can be on the same playing field as a wizard in terms of out-of-combat spells (flight, planeshifting, teleporting etc.). It costs them only a few feats if they want to be ritualists but they can do so if they want, rather than attempting to multiclass. Likewise, beyond scry/buff/teleport a lot of the things that made casters gods before have been downplayed. No more longterm buff sets, no invis casters flying constantly 600 feet from the fight. No long term combat flight really anywhere, no polymorph abuse, no army of summonables, no save-or-die. Strangely there's a lot more combat teleporting, but it doesn't really take anything from the fighter. Part of it of seeing it, however, will involve getting into the 4E mindset. The system supports much more cooperation amongst players. The fighter does his thing, and the wizard does his other thing. The other players at the table will both be grateful that both are there. I don't think there's a better way to get more concrete than that other than by suggesting to give it a play session or two. In play you really see it. [/QUOTE]

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