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<blockquote data-quote="ProfessorCirno" data-source="post: 4716570" data-attributes="member: 65637">I typically play anywhere between 1-20, though typically the games are 3-17/18.I fully admit that wizards, clerics, and druids can bleed into multiple other classes, but that usually only happens when 1) they purposefully set themselves to do it, which is because 2) the person doing it is doing it on purpose.&nbsp; I've never seen a wizard/cleric/druid accidentally steal the rogue's role, for example.People are saying that &quot;The only way wizards aren't eclipsing everyone else is because they're trying not to.&quot;&nbsp; My experience has been the opposite of that.&nbsp; When I play as a divine or arcane caster, my primary focus is to cover things that aren't already being covered.&nbsp; I've yet to step on someone's toes.&nbsp; It's not because I'm actively saying &quot;Oh ho ho, I better not take knock, the rogue will feel useless!&quot;&nbsp; I think &quot;Knock?&nbsp; We have a rogue.&nbsp; Don't need it.&quot;Yes, casters have a lot of variability they can work with.&nbsp; They can put themselves into multiple roles.&nbsp; That doesn't mean they have to, or even that they do it by law of nature.&nbsp; It seems bizarre to have to say this, but you can make a wizard that doesn't make any other class seem useless, unless the other classes are all wizards too.In the end, the fact is, there are people who make parties of all bards.&nbsp; Bards are, aha, not known for their optimization.&nbsp; And yet people here are claiming that's impossible to do.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ProfessorCirno, post: 4716570, member: 65637"] I typically play anywhere between 1-20, though typically the games are 3-17/18. I fully admit that wizards, clerics, and druids can bleed into multiple other classes, but that usually only happens when 1) they purposefully set themselves to do it, which is because 2) the person doing it is doing it on purpose. I've never seen a wizard/cleric/druid [B]accidentally[/B] steal the rogue's role, for example. People are saying that "The only way wizards aren't eclipsing everyone else is because they're trying not to." My experience has been the opposite of that. When I play as a divine or arcane caster, my primary focus is to cover things that [B]aren't[/B] already being covered. I've yet to step on someone's toes. It's not because I'm actively saying "Oh ho ho, I better not take knock, the rogue will feel useless!" I think "Knock? We have a rogue. Don't need it." Yes, casters have a lot of variability they can work with. They can put themselves into multiple roles. That doesn't mean they have to, or even that they do it by law of nature. It seems bizarre to have to say this, but you can make a wizard that doesn't make any other class seem useless, unless the other classes are all wizards too. In the end, the fact is, there are people who make parties of all bards. Bards are, aha, not known for their [I]optimization[/I]. And yet people here are claiming that's impossible to do. [/QUOTE]

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