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<blockquote data-quote="ProfessorPain" data-source="post: 4717131" data-attributes="member: 82012">Magic item management was a big problem in 3E, and you really had to treat spellcasters and non-spellcasters differently. The wealth chart in the DMG is a useful guideline, but I found non-casters needed more access to cool items to give them an edge. So I concede you point here, but I think it is easily remedied by not handing out tons of wands, staffs, etc to wizards, who are already uber powerful. Yes, spell increase in potency and length with level, but they still have a limited number per day, and I promise you if you throw the right encounters at them, things tend to balance out more. &nbsp;&nbsp;I don't have a problem with this, because it really benefits the whole party. If a caster wants to take charm a powerful creature and suceeds. THen that's okay. It isn't like the party is fighting one another here. Again, this depends on the situation, and how the wizard is contributing if he is contributing more. I fully accept they are more powerful than fighters at higher level. I even think this is appropriate. Since the concession in 3E is that magic is cool and super powerful. Wizards trade off being weak earlier, so they can raise undead armies later on. This is a trade off that I am comfortable with as a player and a DM, because this is how I like magic in my settings. What I am saying is DMs who manage events better, and know the system, can ensure hat fighters still contribute in a meaningful way. Remember though, a spell like charm person or monster, while cool, doesn't give you absolute control over creatures. It just makes them regard you as a friend or ally. That doesn't mean they automatically go dungeon delving with you. That is up to the DM (or the opposed Chr check).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ProfessorPain, post: 4717131, member: 82012"] Magic item management was a big problem in 3E, and you really had to treat spellcasters and non-spellcasters differently. The wealth chart in the DMG is a useful guideline, but I found non-casters needed more access to cool items to give them an edge. So I concede you point here, but I think it is easily remedied by not handing out tons of wands, staffs, etc to wizards, who are already uber powerful. Yes, spell increase in potency and length with level, but they still have a limited number per day, and I promise you if you throw the right encounters at them, things tend to balance out more. I don't have a problem with this, because it really benefits the whole party. If a caster wants to take charm a powerful creature and suceeds. THen that's okay. It isn't like the party is fighting one another here. Again, this depends on the situation, and how the wizard is contributing if he is contributing more. I fully accept they are more powerful than fighters at higher level. I even think this is appropriate. Since the concession in 3E is that magic is cool and super powerful. Wizards trade off being weak earlier, so they can raise undead armies later on. This is a trade off that I am comfortable with as a player and a DM, because this is how I like magic in my settings. What I am saying is DMs who manage events better, and know the system, can ensure hat fighters still contribute in a meaningful way. Remember though, a spell like charm person or monster, while cool, doesn't give you absolute control over creatures. It just makes them regard you as a friend or ally. That doesn't mean they automatically go dungeon delving with you. That is up to the DM (or the opposed Chr check). [/QUOTE]

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