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<blockquote data-quote="insanogeddon" data-source="post: 4717429" data-attributes="member: 82822">PHB 1 and 2Figter prob has a beginning strength 6 points higher (2 at first level then level), Fighter gets first dibbs on str items so prob has +4 or +6 to str that is an enhancement bonus just like divine power.&nbsp;Fighter gets wpn foc, spec, greater foc, greater spec, wpn mastery, improved crit and a martial wpn etc&nbsp;Fighter has power attack and then probably some extra damage rort: leap attack/2 weapon etc &nbsp;Fighter got 2 extra rounds of attacks.&nbsp;&nbsp;Cleric buffs just equate things. Further to equate to a fighter the cleric needs to be designed in a way that make him inferior to most other clerics. &nbsp;The group with a high caster level cleric: fighter buffing, group healling, greater dispelling cleric will take down the group with melle clerics quick smart. As in our campaigns the DM occasionally has pointed out thru NPCs. Why clerics buff and go into melle is beyond me as frankly harm equals a buffed clerics damage output pretty well, and heal or mass heal heals more than they can damage so its just diminished returns of a paper tiger living in a glass house throwing lava till a real group (i mean a standard role oriented group) that never suffers from all the deaths that plague some come and eat tham.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="insanogeddon, post: 4717429, member: 82822"] [b]PHB 1 and 2[/b] Figter prob has a beginning strength 6 points higher (2 at first level then level), Fighter gets first dibbs on str items so prob has +4 or +6 to str that is an enhancement bonus just like divine power. Fighter gets wpn foc, spec, greater foc, greater spec, wpn mastery, improved crit and a martial wpn etc Fighter has power attack and then probably some extra damage rort: leap attack/2 weapon etc Fighter got 2 extra rounds of attacks. Cleric buffs just equate things. Further to equate to a fighter the cleric needs to be designed in a way that make him inferior to most other clerics. The group with a high caster level cleric: fighter buffing, group healling, greater dispelling cleric will take down the group with melle clerics quick smart. As in our campaigns the DM occasionally has pointed out thru NPCs. Why clerics buff and go into melle is beyond me as frankly harm equals a buffed clerics damage output pretty well, and heal or mass heal heals more than they can damage so its just diminished returns of a paper tiger living in a glass house throwing lava till a real group (i mean a standard role oriented group) that never suffers from all the deaths that plague some come and eat tham. [/QUOTE]

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