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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fanaelialae" data-source="post: 4720416" data-attributes="member: 53980">In the last 3.5 campaign I played in, the Wizard was effectively useless for the first two levels.  Starting at third level, although he still needed the rest of us to act as a front-line some of the time, he was able to completely trivialize most encounters (usually using Web or Glitterdust).  Because we were a group of wandering adventurers, he often had all the time he needed between adventures to scribe scrolls.  As a result, the rest of the party was increasingly marginalized as the game went on.  It wasn't that we were useless per se, but more and more it became the wizard and his traveling band of helpers.  He was quite optimized, but he also held back unless he thought we needed the help.  I've known the player a long time and he honestly wasn't trying to dominate.  He even offered to retire the character if we felt that he was hogging the spotlight.  But the rest of us like the player and honestly weren't certain we could get by without his character.  He'd generally cast a single spell or two and then sit back and let the rest of us handle the clean-up.He had an answer to everything.  He solo'd a pair of golems (I forget what kind) using some kind of Deanimating Ray specifically made to tear apart golems (he'd made it a point to carry a few scrolls of that spell in particular since he knows that golems are caster killers) when he realized that the rest of us were ineffective against them.  He had spells that ignored spell resistance for creatures with spell resistance, and an answer to just about everything in general.  After the campaign died, our DM admitted that he found the Wizard's ability to counter just about everything he could throw at us incredibly frustrating.In all fairness, the Wizard was probably the most optimized member of the party.  The others were a moderately optimized Paladin and Warlock, and (myself) a suboptimized Druid (I used shifter class power substitutions so I had no Wild Shape or Animal Companion, but I was still a Druid).  It was definitely not an optimal situation, but it was what it was.  We did have some fun times.  Just my most recent experience.</blockquote>

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