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<blockquote data-quote="auburn2" data-source="post: 8049145" data-attributes="member: 6855259">Disagree, the fighter is the militant class, the bashing brute and as far as the CLASS goes I think both ths skills available and the number are perfect for&nbsp; the CLASS.That is not to say you should play a brute, you should tailor it to how you want to play.&nbsp; If you want to build a high-charisma social fighter you can do that and get the proficiencies with background, races and feats, but it should not be part of the class because it is not part of what the class is centered on.If you want a social fighter it is a pretty easy build - for example take insight and intimidation from the fighter class, take faction agent or urban background and get deception and persuasion.&nbsp; Be a variant human and pick up performance - you are now proficient in every Charisma skill plus insight and that is without using a feat.&nbsp; You could even go half elf and get another semi-social skill like history or religion.Also FWIW Warlocks do not get better social skill proficiencies than fighters do, they generally have a higher Charisma meaning they will be better at them without proficiency, but they do not get great social skill choices as part of their class.Finally Bards, sorcerers or warlocks are not the most social class at my table.&nbsp; They have the highest Charisma and bards have a lot of skills but the Rogue is usually the face because they have more skills and in addition have expertise.&nbsp;&nbsp; Our Rogues almost always have expertise in one of the social skills (typically intimidation).&nbsp; It is typically one skill with expertise and most of the rest of the CH skills with regular proficiency (or all the rest with a human or half elf) .&nbsp; With a mediocre Charisma that is usually better than the bard offers because while the bard is better without proficiency, the Bard is not usually proficient in as many social skills (half-elf excepted) and lacks the expertise in one of them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="auburn2, post: 8049145, member: 6855259"] Disagree, the fighter is the militant class, the bashing brute and as far as the CLASS goes I think both ths skills available and the number are perfect for the CLASS. That is not to say you should play a brute, you should tailor it to how you want to play. If you want to build a high-charisma social fighter you can do that and get the proficiencies with background, races and feats, but it should not be part of the class because it is not part of what the class is centered on. If you want a social fighter it is a pretty easy build - for example take insight and intimidation from the fighter class, take faction agent or urban background and get deception and persuasion. Be a variant human and pick up performance - you are now proficient in every Charisma skill plus insight and that is without using a feat. You could even go half elf and get another semi-social skill like history or religion. Also FWIW Warlocks do not get better social skill proficiencies than fighters do, they generally have a higher Charisma meaning they will be better at them without proficiency, but they do not get great social skill choices as part of their class. Finally Bards, sorcerers or warlocks are not the most social class at my table. They have the highest Charisma and bards have a lot of skills but the Rogue is usually the face because they have more skills and in addition have expertise. Our Rogues almost always have expertise in one of the social skills (typically intimidation). It is typically one skill with expertise and most of the rest of the CH skills with regular proficiency (or all the rest with a human or half elf) . With a mediocre Charisma that is usually better than the bard offers because while the bard is better without proficiency, the Bard is not usually proficient in as many social skills (half-elf excepted) and lacks the expertise in one of them. [/QUOTE]

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