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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jontherev" data-source="post: 3587262" data-attributes="member: 1451">Fighters do not suck.Your feats are fine, except Toughness...at least take Improved Toughness if you want more hit points (oddly enough, it doesn't have Toughness as a prereq. and gives 1/level).Iron Will and Endurance are AWESOME feats that every fighter should have.  Why?  Because they are both prerequisites for Indomitable Soul in the PHB2, and Endurance is also a prereq. for Steadfast Determination, which has already been mentioned.Fighters who neglect defensive feats are asking to be charmed and turned on the party.  You should be able to spare at least a few of your 12 feat choices (for a 20th level fighter) for defensive feats.I played a dwarven fighter type from 1st all the way to 22nd (ending as a barbarian1/fighter18/exoticweaponmaster1/cleric2...got bored and took cleric after going epic).  He was anything but ineffective.  He outdamaged the paladin most of the time, and the difference grew as we went up in levels.  I had better saves than the paladin too, due to some feat choices.If you're just using core feats in the PHB, then you're probably right.  You need the complete warrior, complete adventurer & PHB2 to even the playing field.</blockquote>