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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Virgil Sagecaster" data-source="post: 2226003" data-attributes="member: 3045">I wish I would of saw this thread a long time ago....Most of the major points have already been disscussd, so I just want throw my 2 cents in the pot <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious    :]" data-shortname=":]" /> . Its a very good suggestion for the fighter to be archer, since you have the distance on the mage. The best suggestion was by Thanee, when she said you a Grappple+AMF combo (that's the road I would of took).But ANY, properly prepared wizard, can crush a high level fighter any day of the week. All the wizard has to do is cast an Epic level (with the slay seed and a modfied DC) inside an AMF thats centered on the fighter. All you have to is closed the distance between them and beat the caster level check for the AMF.Another Point of Interest: Most of the this thread talks about a direct confrontation with the fighter. Why dont you approach the problem with more of indirect approach.</blockquote>