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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cyclone_Joker" data-source="post: 6188363" data-attributes="member: 6750006">Is not potentially indefinite service equally reasonable, when the one serving is an immortal serving a mortal? Especially when one is in a highly hierarchical society, for lack of a better word, and there is massive gain that could be gotten if the devil tries to corrupt said highly powerful wizard? How about merely the threat of such measures, does that make the request "reasonable?"Hell, if we want to really take a long walk down this mechanically meaningless part of the road, Devils have the Lawful subtype. They are from planes made of the essence of hierarchy, and they, themselves, are partial extensions of that. From their perspective, wouldn't obeisance and submission to an obvious superior be completely reasonable, and among the first things to cross their minds?No, they exist without exception beyond fiat. Or, let me put it another way: In utility, casters win. In information and preparedness, casters win. In combat, casters win. <a href="http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218989" target="_blank">Very, very win</a>. Hell, wizards are even better at <a href="http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244941" target="_blank">stabbing people to death</a> than non-casters. Casters winning at everything isn't just a fact, it is ingrained at every level of the system. The only "circumstances" being assumed here is that you are playing D&D 3.5, which, in a discussion of D&D 3.5, hardly seems like a stretch.This "coddling" line is an obvious, rather sad attempt to evade the point rather than simply concede.</blockquote>

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