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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6188634" data-attributes="member: 42582">[I think I'm the wrong person to ask this particular question, as I think it's already been answered, via 4e! (I'm not familiar with the 3E solutions others have mentioned, like ToB/ToM/Warcasters, Beguilers etc.)QUOTE=Dandu;6188435]I do not believe anyone is saying that 7 STR should not be penalized, just that encumbrance does not balance out the abilities available to spellcasters.</blockquote>Also, encumbrance is a tedious rule which requires irritating bookkeeping. The invoker/wizard in my 4e game suffers for having poor STR - he can't climb walls, he can't jump, he can't escape from grapples - but encumbrance is not really where the exciting action is.No doubt different players, and different tables, find different things exciting. My group got excited the other day when the invoker/wizard took a crit for 77 hp of damage, so there is no doubt that arithmetic can generate tension and emotion in the play of the game.But I've personally never had the same sort of reaction to an encumbrance calculation.What is the penalty a character in AD&D suffers from having a 7 INT? However that is adjudicated, it's not via the arguably tedious bookkeeping that encumbrance involves.It's not a particular well-defined period of time - especially when you get into corner cases like cloning, lichdom and the like.In any event, "indefinite" is not the word used:If you assign some open-ended task that the creature cannot complete though its own actions the spell remains in effect for a maximum of one day per caster level"Guard me from all harm" is an open-ended task, in my view. It seems obvious to me that it triggers the 1 day/level duration. In fact, I would have thought it's a paradigm of the sorts of tasks that were meant to trigger that restriction.[/QUOTE]

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