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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wicht" data-source="post: 6194149" data-attributes="member: 221">Regardless of my place of residence for the past few years, assertion still does not equal proof. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> And many people all making the same assertion does not equal proof either. For game play balance I have to rely on my experience, and in my experience I have never had a problem with fighters, nor with wizards taking over the game. I've never had problems with clerics that make everyone else obsolete. It just does not happen. Wizards can do things fighters cannot do, there is no question about that. But clerics can do things wizards can't do. I'm fine with that. The fighter has no particular magical prowess. I'm fine with that too. What the fighter does have is good armor class, good BAB, the ability to dish out a lot of damage round after round after round after round.  Someone used a baseball analogy before that is apt. The Wizard is a homerun hitter. Which is nice and flashy and all and it certainly helps win games, but a homerun hitter also strikes out a lot, and in my experience Wizards sometimes get that awesome moment and sometimes the monster makes a save and the spell is lost. Sometimes the wizard is able to have just the right spell at just the right time, but about 2 out of every 3 games, the wizard says, "Argh, I prepared the wrong spell."The Cleric is a good defensive player and a decent clutch hitter. He routinely makes the plays that keep the team in the game. He doesn't have as many homeruns, but sometimes he is able to have that moment where he has just the right spell to really shine, but about half the time, when the moment comes, he says "argh, I have to wait to be able to deal with that." The fighter sometimes gets a big hit, though not as often as the other two, but what he does is provide consistency. He provides the singles and doubles that guarantee the homerun the wizard might hit not only scores but scores big. When the wizard has nothing, the fighter is still in the game, getting the hits. Winning teams do not rely on homerun hitters to win the division, they rely on the guys that provide consistency night after night. That's the fighter for you, unappreciated by those that prefer big hits, but in my games the fighter very rarely has a bad night.   Moreover, to another point just made, if the game is not about winning then the whole argument is ridiculous. At my table when the wizard pulls off the flashy home-run effect, everyone feels uplifted because that's one for the team. When the cleric manages to buff themselves (or, more often the case at our table) everyone else, the whole table appreciates the contribution because the team is doing better. And when the fighter (fighter/barbarian in our most recent campaign) scores hit after hit after hit, doing consistent damage (and lots of it), nobody complains about them being one hit wonders because those hits are helping the team stay alive and put the opponents in the ground.</blockquote>

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