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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ahnehnois" data-source="post: 6195101" data-attributes="member: 17106">With regards to Diplomacy, even the <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/diplomacy.htm" target="_blank">rules</a> make it clear that the DM determines the initial attitude of the creature, the time it takes to make a check, and the creature's actual behavior.Moreover, the DM also determines whether a creature is willing to even sit around for however long the Diplomacy check takes, and can apply any modifiers to the check and the DC he likes, and determines when a Diplomacy check is called for in the first place (as opposed to another skill, an untrained check, or no check at all).And, on an even more distant level, the DM determined how the character was created and had direct control over several parameters (level, ability score generation method, treasure allocation, etc.) that influenced the character's Diplomacy modifier, and determined where the character was, and created the NPC in question and determined what the NPC was doing and that he was accessible to the player, and determined what actions the NPC could perform if he had a certain attitude, as well as what actions he will perform given that attitude.It's not like a player can just pick up a d20 and say "I Diplo a king...ooh a 50, he's friendly now and will do whatever I want. I rule the kingdom!"Even by a very literal reading, I don't see how the rules arbitrate anything. They simply provide a framework for the DM to arbitrate it. And there's nothing wrong with modifying or deviating from that framework as well.And, as has been covered elsewhere, if you don't enjoy Calvinball, any game that has a DM or DM-like role is probably not going to work for you.</blockquote>

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