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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 6195513" data-attributes="member: 6696971">They're both correct for different reasons.  To TwoSix's point:- Martial characters' (except those built around specific, niche builds) max payload being premised upon deployment of a Full Attack Action creates a progressive (scaling with level; BAB + knock on effects like Haste/Speed, extra d6 through feats/features/magic items) scenario where mobility (dynamism) is crowded out for the sake of potency.  If 3.x had a robust forced movement and terrain interaction (with big damage riders and effects by forcing foes into hazards and hindering terrain), this situation would be mitigated.  Alas, it does not.  So, as the paradigm goes, as you get more powerful, the greater the impetus to get in melee range, stay in melee range and deploy a Full Attack Action.To your point:- You're already working with lack of unity in PC resource scheduling (steady, At-Will deployment versus nova, spikey, Dailies).  The disunity of the max payload:action economy twixt Martial PCs and spellcaster PCs adds another lair of balance incoherence that must be navigated.  Whats more, it creates a sort of disjointed rocket tag scenario where Martial characters are trying to win initiative, get in melee range with a Standard Action and then deploy a nova Full Attack Action on the next, and subsequent, round(s)...whereas spellcasters can nova based off of their primary engagement with the action economy and they still have their movement action to boot.  Thus, the general engagement of the 3.x action economy by spellcasters yields Spellcaster as Skirmisher while Martial characters (who should be the Skirmishers) turn into Rock-em, Sock-em Robots...entering melee and hacking away...possibly fishing for crits or trip check riders...until one side is dead.  Furthering the problem are effects/conditions (such as Slow), that disallow Full Round Actions but still allow Standards.  I'm pretty sure you can extrapolate how loss of Full Round Actions affects Martial characters versus Spellcasters.  Outside of a few obscure, single-use, obnoxiously expensive poisons, guess who has primary access to such effects...</blockquote>

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