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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Campbell" data-source="post: 6196796" data-attributes="member: 16586">Can we please use another rule as an example besides 3e Diplomacy? By almost any standard it's a terrible rule. It models neither actual or dramatic social interaction well. It leaves little to no room to construct a social encounter around in ways that can be leveraged. The only way it interfaces with the fiction is initial attitude and uses static DCs that don't depend on the social maneuvering skills of the opposing party. It doesn't even necessarily help to resolve the conflict in question. If we can agree on nothing else please let us all agree that it's a stinky rule that needs to go and be replaced by something better. For an example of something better that is still very much task rather than conflict resolution based see the Social Maneuvering system in the God Machine Chronicles rules update for New World of Darkness. It's even free on drivethrurpg.</blockquote>