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<blockquote data-quote="Cadence" data-source="post: 6197809" data-attributes="member: 6701124">Definitely.&nbsp; I think everyone here (and Gygax's statements in the 1e DMG) are against the players having only a semblance of agency.&nbsp;&nbsp; It seems like the disagreement is over whether: (i) forcing/fuding/nudging/recalibration/permission-deaths is undesirable enough that it just shouldn't be done because it compromises the players' agency too much, (ii) that some of the things on that list can be done judiciously and others can't without compromising the players' agency too much, or (iii) that all of those things can be done judiciously without compromising the players' agency too much.&nbsp; Happily, it sounds like most of the posters here have found a group of players that agrees with their preference.My statement was just trying to argue that I think Gygax is clearly in the third of those three groups.&nbsp; &nbsp; Most of the times when he brings up the DM's ability to do such things he includes a cautionary statement that makes it sounds like it should be used sparingly because he's worried about making the players just puppets.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cadence, post: 6197809, member: 6701124"] Definitely. I think everyone here (and Gygax's statements in the 1e DMG) are against the players having only a semblance of agency. It seems like the disagreement is over whether: (i) forcing/fuding/nudging/recalibration/permission-deaths is undesirable enough that it just shouldn't be done because it compromises the players' agency too much, (ii) that some of the things on that list can be done judiciously and others can't without compromising the players' agency too much, or (iii) that all of those things can be done judiciously without compromising the players' agency too much. Happily, it sounds like most of the posters here have found a group of players that agrees with their preference. My statement was just trying to argue that I think Gygax is clearly in the third of those three groups. Most of the times when he brings up the DM's ability to do such things he includes a cautionary statement that makes it sounds like it should be used sparingly because he's worried about making the players just puppets. [/QUOTE]

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