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<blockquote data-quote="Cadence" data-source="post: 6198052" data-attributes="member: 6701124">So, would you let the player try to get off the top of the Empire State Building by just jumping and using a tumble check to land with no damage?&nbsp;&nbsp; To try and cross boiling lava using swimming?&nbsp; To try and make gunpowder and a gun assembly line using alchemy and craft?&nbsp; To play a Ferengi starship captain in a game that everyone agreed was going to be set in something approaching real medieval England?&nbsp;&nbsp; To try and convert the Pope to atheism using diplomacy?&nbsp;&nbsp; I mean, those are all the PC controlling his player too, right? &nbsp;&nbsp; If the answer to even one of them is no you wouldn't let them meaningfully try, then is it now just a question of where the line is drawn?&nbsp;&nbsp; I can't decide if this is bad-wrong-fun-smearing, calling us all liars about our intent, saying we're too delusional to realize that we've reduced our players to a mere audience in spite of our hundreds of lines of arguments otherwise, or if I've completely missed the point.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (EDIT:&nbsp; Could be I just need a nap before reading more of this thread.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cadence, post: 6198052, member: 6701124"] So, would you let the player try to get off the top of the Empire State Building by just jumping and using a tumble check to land with no damage? To try and cross boiling lava using swimming? To try and make gunpowder and a gun assembly line using alchemy and craft? To play a Ferengi starship captain in a game that everyone agreed was going to be set in something approaching real medieval England? To try and convert the Pope to atheism using diplomacy? I mean, those are all the PC controlling his player too, right? If the answer to even one of them is no you wouldn't let them meaningfully try, then is it now just a question of where the line is drawn? I can't decide if this is bad-wrong-fun-smearing, calling us all liars about our intent, saying we're too delusional to realize that we've reduced our players to a mere audience in spite of our hundreds of lines of arguments otherwise, or if I've completely missed the point. (EDIT: Could be I just need a nap before reading more of this thread.) [/QUOTE]

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