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<blockquote data-quote="TwoSix" data-source="post: 6201675" data-attributes="member: 205">Sure, I agree with this.&nbsp; 3e is terrible for narrative/indie games.&nbsp; I think other posters may disagree with the &quot;as intended&quot; portion, but my own experiences put the &quot;DM as rule-0 maestro&quot; playstyle as the overtly stated intention from 2e onto the bulk of 3e, and that playstyle expectation didn't magically appear whole cloth in 1989.&nbsp; I'm reasonably sure narrative assumptions were and will continue to be a minority viewpoint in the RPG community as a whole.Again, I readily agree 3e is a terrible game for narrativist play, as it relies so heavily on process-simulation assumptions of play and not on genre assumptions.&nbsp; Further pedantry.&nbsp; Most humans are carnivorous, as &quot;carnivorous&quot; is primarily <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/carnivore?s=t" target="_blank">defined</a> as an &quot;animal that eats meat from other animals&quot;, although that excludes carnivorous plants from the definition.&nbsp; Animals that feed exclusively on animal flesh are defined as obligate carnivores, while those who subsist on both are facultative carnivores (mostly meat) or omnivores (relatively equal for both), although the ratio of animal to plant material consumed by either group isn't strictly defined.&nbsp; Also, &quot;carnivore&quot; is a common term within the vegetarian/vegan community to refer to those who do consume animal flesh.&nbsp; And yes, this invites more argument re: the gish thread, so we should spin this off if you wish to continue.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TwoSix, post: 6201675, member: 205"] Sure, I agree with this. 3e is terrible for narrative/indie games. I think other posters may disagree with the "as intended" portion, but my own experiences put the "DM as rule-0 maestro" playstyle as the overtly stated intention from 2e onto the bulk of 3e, and that playstyle expectation didn't magically appear whole cloth in 1989. I'm reasonably sure narrative assumptions were and will continue to be a minority viewpoint in the RPG community as a whole. Again, I readily agree 3e is a terrible game for narrativist play, as it relies so heavily on process-simulation assumptions of play and not on genre assumptions. Further pedantry. Most humans are carnivorous, as "carnivorous" is primarily [URL="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/carnivore?s=t"]defined[/URL] as an "animal that eats meat from other animals", although that excludes carnivorous plants from the definition. Animals that feed exclusively on animal flesh are defined as obligate carnivores, while those who subsist on both are facultative carnivores (mostly meat) or omnivores (relatively equal for both), although the ratio of animal to plant material consumed by either group isn't strictly defined. Also, "carnivore" is a common term within the vegetarian/vegan community to refer to those who do consume animal flesh. And yes, this invites more argument re: the gish thread, so we should spin this off if you wish to continue. [/QUOTE]

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