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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 6201919" data-attributes="member: 6696971">This whole post is basically a manifesto for D&amp;D as exclusively an exercise in GM-force whereby PC build options and the action resolution mechanics they are synthesized with are little more than GM-side whims.&nbsp; Suspension of PC build relevancy and action resolution mechanics or application and legitimacy; complete GM whim.&nbsp; Literally all of it.&nbsp; From start to finish.&nbsp; This is straight out of 1992.&nbsp; If ever there was advocacy of D&amp;D as storyteller system where PCs are along for the GM-ride, this is it.&nbsp; This is the Call of Cthuluing of D&amp;D...which was what the Dragonlance AD&amp;D 2e culture stridently advocated at that time.When this is your position on the default play experience, and GM role, of D&amp;D then I could understand how you sense there is no GM-force.&nbsp; Because there is nothing but GM-force.&nbsp; There is no continuum.&nbsp; There is no contrast.&nbsp; There is no nuance.&nbsp; There is just GM-authored play via whim/decision (informed by his agenda and exclusive access to plot/setting information) to suspend or apply the rules.&nbsp; Until that post I didn't think that was your position.&nbsp; Literally all of your posts on this subject now make sense.&nbsp; And your sense that analysis of GM-force is an exercise that is antagonistic to the core D&amp;D experience makes sense...and the label being pejorative makes sense as well.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 6201919, member: 6696971"] This whole post is basically a manifesto for D&D as exclusively an exercise in GM-force whereby PC build options and the action resolution mechanics they are synthesized with are little more than GM-side whims. Suspension of PC build relevancy and action resolution mechanics or application and legitimacy; complete GM whim. Literally all of it. From start to finish. This is straight out of 1992. If ever there was advocacy of D&D as storyteller system where PCs are along for the GM-ride, this is it. This is the Call of Cthuluing of D&D...which was what the Dragonlance AD&D 2e culture stridently advocated at that time. When this is your position on the default play experience, and GM role, of D&D then I could understand how you sense there is no GM-force. Because there is nothing [I]but [/I]GM-force. There is no continuum. There is no contrast. There is no nuance. There is just GM-authored play via whim/decision (informed by his agenda and exclusive access to plot/setting information) to suspend or apply the rules. Until that post I didn't think that was your position. Literally all of your posts on this subject now make sense. And your sense that analysis of GM-force is an exercise that is antagonistic to the core D&D experience makes sense...and the label being pejorative makes sense as well. [/QUOTE]

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