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<blockquote data-quote="Ahnehnois" data-source="post: 6202474" data-attributes="member: 17106"><p>Not really.</p><p></p><p>The Diplomacy skill (and skills in general) doesn't say when it is or is not possible to use it. For example, nothing in the description requires the parties to be able to understand or even see each other. This is presumably an omission because they felt that it was obvious. But in your game, a player apparently has the right to state that he is using a Diplomacy check on someone a hundred miles a way that he has no way of communicating it. Because the rules according to you say that the player decides when to use the skill, and nothing explicitly precludes this.</p><p></p><p>Of course, in the actual rules, the DM would simply decide that it is not possible to use Diplomacy without some actual communication. The examples you're discussing really aren't that different. If someone decides to ignore everything you say on principle, they likely won't respond no matter how eloquent you are; no communication occurs without a speaker and an at least marginally consenting listener. And people ignore each other a lot, especially in fantasy settings with royalty and social classes. It's not much of a reach to say that the DM has the authority to decide that an NPC simply won't interact with you. (Especially if said NPC wants to kill you).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ahnehnois, post: 6202474, member: 17106"] Not really. The Diplomacy skill (and skills in general) doesn't say when it is or is not possible to use it. For example, nothing in the description requires the parties to be able to understand or even see each other. This is presumably an omission because they felt that it was obvious. But in your game, a player apparently has the right to state that he is using a Diplomacy check on someone a hundred miles a way that he has no way of communicating it. Because the rules according to you say that the player decides when to use the skill, and nothing explicitly precludes this. Of course, in the actual rules, the DM would simply decide that it is not possible to use Diplomacy without some actual communication. The examples you're discussing really aren't that different. If someone decides to ignore everything you say on principle, they likely won't respond no matter how eloquent you are; no communication occurs without a speaker and an at least marginally consenting listener. And people ignore each other a lot, especially in fantasy settings with royalty and social classes. It's not much of a reach to say that the DM has the authority to decide that an NPC simply won't interact with you. (Especially if said NPC wants to kill you). [/QUOTE]
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