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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6202522" data-attributes="member: 22779">You most certainly can make that check.&nbsp; You just fail.&nbsp; The DC is so high (unless you are epic level) that you will fail.&nbsp; No one has claimed that the DM cannot set DC's.Fair enough and no problems.&nbsp; The mechanics were followed.&nbsp; This is standard D&amp;D play and no DM force was required.&nbsp; Considering that these were 1st level PC's, I don't think you even need the -2.&nbsp; The -10 for the hurried check is likely enough to put it out of reach.&nbsp; Note, not a raging Barbarian.&nbsp; That would have additional issues, since Rage has its own rules.Umm, no?&nbsp; Not being able to communicate would preclude Diplomacy as a skill.&nbsp; And I'm fairly confident that if I could be bothered to consult the FAQ, that would be backed up.I would have no problems with that.&nbsp; The PHB does talk about -2 circumstance bonuses after all.&nbsp; Not unreasonable.But, again, you're ignoring the issue.&nbsp; It's not that my character will fail.&nbsp; That's fine.&nbsp; I have no problems with that.&nbsp; It's that the DM has dictated the results before an attempt is even made.&nbsp; That's the heart of the issue.&nbsp; Let me try and fail.&nbsp; That's on me.&nbsp; I have zero problems with failure.&nbsp; Failure is interesting.&nbsp; But being told, &quot;sorry, no, you cannot even try&quot; is not fun for me.&nbsp; It's no different than telling a Player, &quot;Sorry, you cannot go through that door&quot;.&nbsp; There's no difference to me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6202522, member: 22779"] You most certainly can make that check. You just fail. The DC is so high (unless you are epic level) that you will fail. No one has claimed that the DM cannot set DC's. Fair enough and no problems. The mechanics were followed. This is standard D&D play and no DM force was required. Considering that these were 1st level PC's, I don't think you even need the -2. The -10 for the hurried check is likely enough to put it out of reach. Note, not a raging Barbarian. That would have additional issues, since Rage has its own rules. Umm, no? Not being able to communicate would preclude Diplomacy as a skill. And I'm fairly confident that if I could be bothered to consult the FAQ, that would be backed up. I would have no problems with that. The PHB does talk about -2 circumstance bonuses after all. Not unreasonable. But, again, you're ignoring the issue. It's not that my character will fail. That's fine. I have no problems with that. It's that the DM has dictated the results before an attempt is even made. That's the heart of the issue. Let me try and fail. That's on me. I have zero problems with failure. Failure is interesting. But being told, "sorry, no, you cannot even try" is not fun for me. It's no different than telling a Player, "Sorry, you cannot go through that door". There's no difference to me. [/QUOTE]

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