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<blockquote data-quote="Nagol" data-source="post: 6202612" data-attributes="member: 23935">And the meeting the chamberlain that's been discussed is only being framed because of player insistence -- we are going to see the chamberlain to arrange a meeting with the King!Meeting may be within the PCs ability, but having the PCs manage to hit their self-defined success criteria may not be.Nor does the meeting need to be &quot;indie-play&quot; irrelevant -- perhaps there are other aspects to the meeting the PCs can make a difference (such as detecting a hidden truth) and/or discovering an alternate path to their objective.&nbsp; Having those possibilities doesn't mean they are broadcast to the players and receiving &quot;No I won't schedule such a meeting.&nbsp; Stop bothering me.&quot; may be irrelevant to the ways the PCs could have made a difference, but failed.This scenario suffers somewhat from the same player-view centrism as did the rising a centipede across the desert.&nbsp; Just because a player doesn't recognise the relevance doesn't mean there is no relevance.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nagol, post: 6202612, member: 23935"] And the meeting the chamberlain that's been discussed is only being framed because of player insistence -- we [I]are[/I] going to see the chamberlain to arrange a meeting with the King! Meeting may be within the PCs ability, but having the PCs manage to hit their self-defined success criteria may not be. Nor does the meeting need to be "indie-play" irrelevant -- perhaps there are other aspects to the meeting the PCs [I]can[/I] make a difference (such as detecting a hidden truth) and/or discovering an alternate path to their objective. Having those possibilities doesn't mean they are broadcast to the players and receiving "No I won't schedule such a meeting. Stop bothering me." may be irrelevant to the ways the PCs could have made a difference, but failed. This scenario suffers somewhat from the same player-view centrism as did the rising a centipede across the desert. Just because a player doesn't recognise the relevance doesn't mean there is no relevance. [/QUOTE]

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