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<blockquote data-quote="N'raac" data-source="post: 6205031" data-attributes="member: 6681948"><p>Are you invisible or Greater Invisible (the former Improved Invisible)? The latter isn't broken by attacks anyway but has a much shorter duration. Lantern Archons are the 4th level spell, so you need a 6th level spell to summon 2-5 of them. How many L6 spells are you packing? As I have said repeatedly, I don't expect to run a game where you have a single encounter and can then flee to rest. Do they avoid DR? Sure - and they have a +2 to hit, albeit against touch AC, for a whole d6 per hit. And they have 1-8 hp each, AC 15 and 10 DR. How many valid opponents for 11th level characters (the soonest they are casting 6th level spells) can't do 15+ points a hit and reliably connect with AC 15? Not many, IME. Are there occasional foes that those Archons can clean up on? Sure - and there's an opportunity for the caster to be the "cool character". But an array of different challenges will provide lots of opponents for whom the Archons are a momentary distraction.</p><p></p><p>What ever will a L11 Fighter do? How about pulling out that magical bow and firing arrows unaffected by that DR at the Archons who must be within 30' to be able to attack? Now, if that fighter has chose to invest every copper into melee combat, yeah, he has a problem. But that's like being a Wizard who only chooses spells from one school. He's chosen to be an overspecialized one trick pony and it came back to bite him - why is that a surprise?</p><p></p><p>This is without the possibility that our Fighter friend can hear you and zone in while you Incant for a full round. You're invisible, not undetectable.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Getting past that locked door tomorrow isn't much help when enemies are bearing down on you now, is it? "Faster" can be quite important, unless we simply allow for the world to go into stasis when the caster wants to rest.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If, by stacking the deck, we mean "actually reading the spells" and "not stacking the deck in favour of the caster", I suppose.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="N'raac, post: 6205031, member: 6681948"] Are you invisible or Greater Invisible (the former Improved Invisible)? The latter isn't broken by attacks anyway but has a much shorter duration. Lantern Archons are the 4th level spell, so you need a 6th level spell to summon 2-5 of them. How many L6 spells are you packing? As I have said repeatedly, I don't expect to run a game where you have a single encounter and can then flee to rest. Do they avoid DR? Sure - and they have a +2 to hit, albeit against touch AC, for a whole d6 per hit. And they have 1-8 hp each, AC 15 and 10 DR. How many valid opponents for 11th level characters (the soonest they are casting 6th level spells) can't do 15+ points a hit and reliably connect with AC 15? Not many, IME. Are there occasional foes that those Archons can clean up on? Sure - and there's an opportunity for the caster to be the "cool character". But an array of different challenges will provide lots of opponents for whom the Archons are a momentary distraction. What ever will a L11 Fighter do? How about pulling out that magical bow and firing arrows unaffected by that DR at the Archons who must be within 30' to be able to attack? Now, if that fighter has chose to invest every copper into melee combat, yeah, he has a problem. But that's like being a Wizard who only chooses spells from one school. He's chosen to be an overspecialized one trick pony and it came back to bite him - why is that a surprise? This is without the possibility that our Fighter friend can hear you and zone in while you Incant for a full round. You're invisible, not undetectable. Getting past that locked door tomorrow isn't much help when enemies are bearing down on you now, is it? "Faster" can be quite important, unless we simply allow for the world to go into stasis when the caster wants to rest. If, by stacking the deck, we mean "actually reading the spells" and "not stacking the deck in favour of the caster", I suppose. [/QUOTE]
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