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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6205299" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Note, the archons were in response to the "constructs" comment from Wicht. Most of which cannot fly, and many of which lack a ranged attack. And, invisibility is not broken by summoning spells. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, this is a non-sequitor. Why is the wizard summoning against the fighter? Heck, even a simple 1st level Charm Person has about a 50/50 chance of ending the fight, never minding the endless array of other choices. In 3e, by 11th level, the fighter has very, very little chance of winning against a wizard.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And there it is. Now wizards must shout at the top of their lungs in order to cast spells. Hrm, hearing in battle is a -10 to Listen checks. There's no reason that I can't whisper, which is DC 15, so DC 25 to listen. Oh, and I'm 50 feet away, so, that makes the DC 30 (note, I can be further away than that if I wanted to be). Listen is not a class skill for a fighter, which means that his Max Rank is 8 and it's unlikely the fighter has more than a +2 for Wis. IOW, he's got a 1 in 20 chance of hearing the wizard. Even with normal speaking, that still means a 50/50 chance of hearing, still forcing a 50% miss chance.</p><p></p><p>But, yup, let's interpret the rules in the most punishing way possible for casters.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, because 8 hours always makes a huge difference. :/ Unless we're running Fantasy 24, waiting 8 hours almost never makes a difference. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, where is it written that putting a bag of holding in a Rope Trick destroys magic items? Hazardous could simply be a d4 damage. Random effects. Various other things could happen. But, no, "actually reading the spells" means that magic items get destroyed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6205299, member: 22779"] Note, the archons were in response to the "constructs" comment from Wicht. Most of which cannot fly, and many of which lack a ranged attack. And, invisibility is not broken by summoning spells. Again, this is a non-sequitor. Why is the wizard summoning against the fighter? Heck, even a simple 1st level Charm Person has about a 50/50 chance of ending the fight, never minding the endless array of other choices. In 3e, by 11th level, the fighter has very, very little chance of winning against a wizard. And there it is. Now wizards must shout at the top of their lungs in order to cast spells. Hrm, hearing in battle is a -10 to Listen checks. There's no reason that I can't whisper, which is DC 15, so DC 25 to listen. Oh, and I'm 50 feet away, so, that makes the DC 30 (note, I can be further away than that if I wanted to be). Listen is not a class skill for a fighter, which means that his Max Rank is 8 and it's unlikely the fighter has more than a +2 for Wis. IOW, he's got a 1 in 20 chance of hearing the wizard. Even with normal speaking, that still means a 50/50 chance of hearing, still forcing a 50% miss chance. But, yup, let's interpret the rules in the most punishing way possible for casters. Yeah, because 8 hours always makes a huge difference. :/ Unless we're running Fantasy 24, waiting 8 hours almost never makes a difference. So, where is it written that putting a bag of holding in a Rope Trick destroys magic items? Hazardous could simply be a d4 damage. Random effects. Various other things could happen. But, no, "actually reading the spells" means that magic items get destroyed. [/QUOTE]
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