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Message: <blockquote data-quote="sheadunne" data-source="post: 6206619" data-attributes="member: 27570">I think the basic argument is that in "indie style" they wouldn't frame the characters in the challenge to begin with if there's no way for the players to leverage their resources to do anything. And so, if they do frame the scene with the chamberlain, it needs to have the possibility of success, even if it isn't successful directly (ie they fail based on rolls, but are still failing-forward). The idea being that if you can't roll dice and leverage resources, then don't frame the scene. Move on to something where the players can play (ie roll the dice), all based on the players goals of course. I believe they did say it was true for combat challenges, they would simply re-skin the creature to be level appropriate to the party, in much the same way they would re-skin the chamberlain scene to be level appropriate to the party.The balancing mechanic is genre expectations. It's assumed (and from the examples it's the style the players are on board with) that 1st level players won't set goals to see the king or fight an ancient red dragon until it's appropriate for their level. I've never encountered first level characters who wanted to hunt down and kill a beholder. However, I've experienced it when they've gotten to 8th or 9th level. I think this is true for all editions of D&D, at least when you've been playing it a while. You know what is expected for your particular level. Those guidelines can be broken and bent when it makes for a more interesting story or if say one of the players is playing a character who's background includes being a noble or son of the king or some such and the party wants to see the king.</blockquote>

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