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<blockquote data-quote="N'raac" data-source="post: 6206920" data-attributes="member: 6681948"><p>Doing something for nothing is altruistic, which is pretty much the opposite of selfish.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Perhaps the NPC’s should just be ciphers, who exist solely to serve [MENTION=22779]Hussar[/MENTION]’s whims? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As [MENTION=221]Wicht[/MENTION] notes, bargaining is generally expected. A fairly simple service gets the opposed CHA check. Glabrezu have a 20 CHA. They get to try their SR 21 against your binding once per day. That special magic diagram causes them some issues. </p><p></p><p>Seems, however, that we have not read about the Glabrezu. </p><p>Seems like the rules provide a balance against L11 Wizards summoning Glabrezu as a source of free wishes. But, of course, since I actually read the rules, I am being horribly biased against [MENTION=22779]Hussar[/MENTION]’s wizard and taking the worst possible interpretation of the rules, I suppose.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Seems like PC’s are always scurrying hither thither and yon trying to accomplish their goals. Like Wicht, I see immortals having more patience than that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They at least read the rules and assess and interpret them in a balanced manner. They don’t decide that “speak in a strong voice” means “you can whisper” or ignore the Glabrezu’s approach to granting wishes, then complain that the wizard is overpowered now that they’ve ignored the various rules that might make them better balanced.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I’d consider it if the PC thought it was just a matter of “cast, wish, repeat”. If he has to engage in actual bargaining, and meet the terms a Glabrezu typically imposes, then probably not.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don’t think you’ve been unclear, if that’s any consolation.</p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>Can you cite one of your spell interpretations that has not had the actual text of the rules operate against it? Maybe if you read all the rules you are relying on, you might not have such a high opinion of the overpowered nature of the spells and tactics you suggest.</p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>He cast a couple of spells, ignored the text discussing how Glabrezu grant wishes and wanted something for nothing. Then he has a hissy fit. Not a player I want at my table anyway.</p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>So it’s OK for you to ask for some special extras, but not for the GM to provide something different. I’d agree that a sabre tooth cat may not have been a great Dming approach, but what entitled you to expect something better than the rules provide for?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hope springs eternal..</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="N'raac, post: 6206920, member: 6681948"] Doing something for nothing is altruistic, which is pretty much the opposite of selfish. Perhaps the NPC’s should just be ciphers, who exist solely to serve [MENTION=22779]Hussar[/MENTION]’s whims? As [MENTION=221]Wicht[/MENTION] notes, bargaining is generally expected. A fairly simple service gets the opposed CHA check. Glabrezu have a 20 CHA. They get to try their SR 21 against your binding once per day. That special magic diagram causes them some issues. Seems, however, that we have not read about the Glabrezu. Seems like the rules provide a balance against L11 Wizards summoning Glabrezu as a source of free wishes. But, of course, since I actually read the rules, I am being horribly biased against [MENTION=22779]Hussar[/MENTION]’s wizard and taking the worst possible interpretation of the rules, I suppose. Seems like PC’s are always scurrying hither thither and yon trying to accomplish their goals. Like Wicht, I see immortals having more patience than that. They at least read the rules and assess and interpret them in a balanced manner. They don’t decide that “speak in a strong voice” means “you can whisper” or ignore the Glabrezu’s approach to granting wishes, then complain that the wizard is overpowered now that they’ve ignored the various rules that might make them better balanced. I’d consider it if the PC thought it was just a matter of “cast, wish, repeat”. If he has to engage in actual bargaining, and meet the terms a Glabrezu typically imposes, then probably not. I don’t think you’ve been unclear, if that’s any consolation. Can you cite one of your spell interpretations that has not had the actual text of the rules operate against it? Maybe if you read all the rules you are relying on, you might not have such a high opinion of the overpowered nature of the spells and tactics you suggest. He cast a couple of spells, ignored the text discussing how Glabrezu grant wishes and wanted something for nothing. Then he has a hissy fit. Not a player I want at my table anyway. So it’s OK for you to ask for some special extras, but not for the GM to provide something different. I’d agree that a sabre tooth cat may not have been a great Dming approach, but what entitled you to expect something better than the rules provide for? Hope springs eternal.. [/QUOTE]
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