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<blockquote data-quote="Wicht" data-source="post: 6208850" data-attributes="member: 221"><p>You summon a demon of destruction and assume there are no risks? </p><p></p><p>Incidentally, what is this wish your character is wishing for, thats an automatic success?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As written it does not allow what you are suggesting. I posit that you are misunderstanding the text. As Manual of the Planes apparently agrees fully with my interpretation, I am comfortable in making that assertion. I must wonder however, why you refuse to accept there are other ways to validly interpret the actual wording of the text other than the one you insist upon. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Obviously, it could use another sentence to clear up your misunderstanding of it. </p><p></p><p>And as for your assertion concerning using low level spells to cast high level spells you still have not given my an example. I could use message to contact a 20th level wizard buddy and have them cast wish, but that still does not prove that message equals wish. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You can use monster summoning spells to gain access to creatures which have clerical or wizard spells. That is subtly different than being able to cast the spells. And summoned creatures are marginally restricted in what they can do. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So what do you give the Coatl to have it do this for you?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Your wizard did not gain higher level abilities. Your wizard talks to a creature that has higher level abilities. So what is to keep the fighter from befriending an ancient golden dragon and having said dragon fly him here and there and breath fire on enemies? By your reasoning a fighter with a dragon ally has both flying and fire breathing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wicht, post: 6208850, member: 221"] You summon a demon of destruction and assume there are no risks? Incidentally, what is this wish your character is wishing for, thats an automatic success? As written it does not allow what you are suggesting. I posit that you are misunderstanding the text. As Manual of the Planes apparently agrees fully with my interpretation, I am comfortable in making that assertion. I must wonder however, why you refuse to accept there are other ways to validly interpret the actual wording of the text other than the one you insist upon. Obviously, it could use another sentence to clear up your misunderstanding of it. And as for your assertion concerning using low level spells to cast high level spells you still have not given my an example. I could use message to contact a 20th level wizard buddy and have them cast wish, but that still does not prove that message equals wish. You can use monster summoning spells to gain access to creatures which have clerical or wizard spells. That is subtly different than being able to cast the spells. And summoned creatures are marginally restricted in what they can do. So what do you give the Coatl to have it do this for you? Your wizard did not gain higher level abilities. Your wizard talks to a creature that has higher level abilities. So what is to keep the fighter from befriending an ancient golden dragon and having said dragon fly him here and there and breath fire on enemies? By your reasoning a fighter with a dragon ally has both flying and fire breathing. [/QUOTE]
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