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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6208881" data-attributes="member: 42582">I agree with what TwoSix says here. My issue with the random determination that Dausuul described upthread is not that the player is (perhaps temporarily) thwarted, but that it happens offscreen via a GM's random roll. As I said, if I was going to have the Glabrezu be out of wishes it would be as a consequence of a failed check - this is an instances of the &quot;difference of process&quot; that TwoSix mentions.Needless to say, this is another manifestation of &quot;Schroedinger's backstory&quot;, which obviously is an approach to setting backstory that no all are keen on.I don't think I participated in many of those threads. If I did, I certainly would have been disagreeing - from the previews, through Worlds &amp; Monsters as a prelease book, to the core rulebooks, it was pretty apparent to me that 4e supported quite a different approach to play from 3E. Hence, while I never had any interest in running 3E (other than a handful of sessions to try it out following release in 2000), I was very keen to start a 4e campaign.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 6208881, member: 42582"] I agree with what TwoSix says here. My issue with the random determination that Dausuul described upthread is not that the player is (perhaps temporarily) thwarted, but that it happens offscreen via a GM's random roll. As I said, if I was going to have the Glabrezu be out of wishes it would be as a consequence of a failed check - this is an instances of the "difference of process" that TwoSix mentions. Needless to say, this is another manifestation of "Schroedinger's backstory", which obviously is an approach to setting backstory that no all are keen on. I don't think I participated in many of those threads. If I did, I certainly would have been disagreeing - from the previews, through Worlds & Monsters as a prelease book, to the core rulebooks, it was pretty apparent to me that 4e supported quite a different approach to play from 3E. Hence, while I never had any interest in running 3E (other than a handful of sessions to try it out following release in 2000), I was very keen to start a 4e campaign. [/QUOTE]

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