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<blockquote data-quote="Wicht" data-source="post: 6208933" data-attributes="member: 221"><p>That's not really hair splitting. I was just interested why someone would go to the trouble of summoning a demon to try and get a wish.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I would argue its an indirect result, and hardly guaranteed. But you seem to think its practically in the bag just because the wizard wants to do it. In the instances cited above, the feasibility of the 1st is going to depend on DM fiat and the particular campaign setting (is the church protected in anyway). The second is poorly worded and open ended (you didn't specify which king), and the demon is going to have a heyday starting a war other than the one the caster wanted. The third one is the best wish, but your poor wizard is going to be left without a home as the fire is almost guaranteed to burn down something near and dear to him and (as cited above), the actual timetable of the wish has been left open and now the meteor will strike at a time most inconvenient to the wizard. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There is nothing that prevents a charismatic non-caster from not acquiring the services of others and/or paying for said services.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually its not immaterial. It is the payment for services which makes it balanced. You are not getting the result ex nihilo, via nothing but a spell. That is the main point. So long as there is an additional cost, then the whole thing is mechanically sound. It is only when a DM does not exact some legitimate cost that the procedure breaks down mechanically. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah. And there is no problem with that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The non-caster goes down the street and hires a wizard to cast the spell for him. </p><p>The non-caster takes leadership and acquires a wizard to cast the spell for him.</p><p>The non-caster makes friends with a wizard who casts the spell for him. </p><p></p><p>In the end the result is the same: the character has another character cast the spell. The exact process of acquiring the services may differ, but the result is the same. You seem to think that a demon somehow does not qualify as "outside help," but it does. The demon is an NPC and the goals of the demon are not subject to the direct control of the caster.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wicht, post: 6208933, member: 221"] That's not really hair splitting. I was just interested why someone would go to the trouble of summoning a demon to try and get a wish. I would argue its an indirect result, and hardly guaranteed. But you seem to think its practically in the bag just because the wizard wants to do it. In the instances cited above, the feasibility of the 1st is going to depend on DM fiat and the particular campaign setting (is the church protected in anyway). The second is poorly worded and open ended (you didn't specify which king), and the demon is going to have a heyday starting a war other than the one the caster wanted. The third one is the best wish, but your poor wizard is going to be left without a home as the fire is almost guaranteed to burn down something near and dear to him and (as cited above), the actual timetable of the wish has been left open and now the meteor will strike at a time most inconvenient to the wizard. There is nothing that prevents a charismatic non-caster from not acquiring the services of others and/or paying for said services. Actually its not immaterial. It is the payment for services which makes it balanced. You are not getting the result ex nihilo, via nothing but a spell. That is the main point. So long as there is an additional cost, then the whole thing is mechanically sound. It is only when a DM does not exact some legitimate cost that the procedure breaks down mechanically. Yeah. And there is no problem with that. The non-caster goes down the street and hires a wizard to cast the spell for him. The non-caster takes leadership and acquires a wizard to cast the spell for him. The non-caster makes friends with a wizard who casts the spell for him. In the end the result is the same: the character has another character cast the spell. The exact process of acquiring the services may differ, but the result is the same. You seem to think that a demon somehow does not qualify as "outside help," but it does. The demon is an NPC and the goals of the demon are not subject to the direct control of the caster. [/QUOTE]
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