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<blockquote data-quote="N'raac" data-source="post: 6209042" data-attributes="member: 6681948"><p>Alternatively, as the Planar Binding spell indicates that the being returns for payment after accomplishing the task, the Glabrezu perhaps does not demand the sacrifice up front (which would not be RAW), but instead grants the Wish and pops immediately back to the Wizard to demand his payment at a time not overly convenient for a Demon to pop in, state that he has [done the task wished for] and now wishes his payment forthwith.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>OK – lots of pain and suffering potential there. Why could the Wizard not have cast his own Fireball? Now, if I want to hair split, you said “large”, but not “lethal”, but I see no reason the Demon would want to spare the worshippers of Bahamut. Maybe a high level Cleric or two survive to investigate and hunt down the wizard.</p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>Can someone else wish instant death on you as well? It seems like you are going beyond a single wish, imposing the results of your wish (the king fails his save and dies; this results in a war).</p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>Again, Wishing both the wish and its consequences seems lengthy. That said, rephrasing to wish for a blaze that incinerates half the town, including that orphanage, seems reasonable.</p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>Seems like your Wishes meet this criteria (maybe not the first – it asks for a 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] level spell, maybe higher if we assume a Delayed Blast).</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Your wizard mined that powdered silver himself? After all, he can have no outside assistance, right? He certainly can’t PURCHASE something from a third party, right?</p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>How difficult it is seems to depend largely on whether we are discussing whether wizards are, in fact, overpowered or whether the wizard has “earned” the wish so the GM is a draconian micromanager if he shuts it down.</p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>Added to that, I would not expect the cost of extracting a wish from a Demon to be markedly less than the cost of purchasing a Wish from a Wizard – although the cost might take very different forms.</p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>That seems to be the crux of the matter – the assertion seems to be that Planar Binding places the demon under the caster’s direct control, reliably and consistently.</p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>I’m not the only one who notices that, I see…</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="N'raac, post: 6209042, member: 6681948"] Alternatively, as the Planar Binding spell indicates that the being returns for payment after accomplishing the task, the Glabrezu perhaps does not demand the sacrifice up front (which would not be RAW), but instead grants the Wish and pops immediately back to the Wizard to demand his payment at a time not overly convenient for a Demon to pop in, state that he has [done the task wished for] and now wishes his payment forthwith. OK – lots of pain and suffering potential there. Why could the Wizard not have cast his own Fireball? Now, if I want to hair split, you said “large”, but not “lethal”, but I see no reason the Demon would want to spare the worshippers of Bahamut. Maybe a high level Cleric or two survive to investigate and hunt down the wizard. Can someone else wish instant death on you as well? It seems like you are going beyond a single wish, imposing the results of your wish (the king fails his save and dies; this results in a war). Again, Wishing both the wish and its consequences seems lengthy. That said, rephrasing to wish for a blaze that incinerates half the town, including that orphanage, seems reasonable. Seems like your Wishes meet this criteria (maybe not the first – it asks for a 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] level spell, maybe higher if we assume a Delayed Blast). Your wizard mined that powdered silver himself? After all, he can have no outside assistance, right? He certainly can’t PURCHASE something from a third party, right? How difficult it is seems to depend largely on whether we are discussing whether wizards are, in fact, overpowered or whether the wizard has “earned” the wish so the GM is a draconian micromanager if he shuts it down. Added to that, I would not expect the cost of extracting a wish from a Demon to be markedly less than the cost of purchasing a Wish from a Wizard – although the cost might take very different forms. That seems to be the crux of the matter – the assertion seems to be that Planar Binding places the demon under the caster’s direct control, reliably and consistently. I’m not the only one who notices that, I see… [/QUOTE]
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