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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6209234" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Really? Glabrezu specifically mention that they want to grant evil wishes to corrupt mortals. What's wrong with an evil PC doing this? What is particularly "Monte Haul" about this? </p><p></p><p>But, at least you admit that it's possible to do. Not possible in your campaign (and others in this thread I think, given the amount of roadblocks that get tossed in the way) but possible under the rules. Which is what I was talking about. Note, I never, not once, said how I would rule this or adjudicate this in my own game. </p><p></p><p>Because you don't play in my game and I don't play in yours. You wouldn't allow it, fine and dandy. But, I don't play Wiseblood D&D, I play Hussar D&D. Which means that when we're discussing game mechanics, it would be very helpful to actually stick to the mechanics and not idiosyncratic interpretations of them.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>But, there's the difference. The DM has to allow the PC to either commission the potion or go to the magic shoppe. It's out of the players hands. If the PC is in a location where neither are available, then he cannot do it. </p><p></p><p>The potion is equivalent to the demon+wish. I have no idea why the demon and the wish are being broken apart. One is tied to the other completely. If I summon the demon (which my character can do entirely on his own), and choose a sufficiently vile wish, then I get my wish. Other than determining what is "sufficiently vile" the DM isn't really involved at all. N'raac claims its no different than seeking out a wizard to cast wish. But, again, that's entirely DM dependent. Is there a 17th level wizard floating around? Where is he? Can I get there? How do I find out? Who do I ask?</p><p></p><p>None of that applies to Planar Binding. Paying for the wish is no different than any spell component cost (although probably a lot steeper <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />). I need 5000 gp worth of diamond to cast Raise Dead. Does that mean that being able to cast Raise Dead is dependent on diamond miners? Technically, I suppose, yes, but, honestly, how often is that ever actually played out at the table? You cast the spell, you mark off your spell component cost and move on.</p><p></p><p>Which is pretty much exactly how Planar Binding works.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6209234, member: 22779"] Really? Glabrezu specifically mention that they want to grant evil wishes to corrupt mortals. What's wrong with an evil PC doing this? What is particularly "Monte Haul" about this? But, at least you admit that it's possible to do. Not possible in your campaign (and others in this thread I think, given the amount of roadblocks that get tossed in the way) but possible under the rules. Which is what I was talking about. Note, I never, not once, said how I would rule this or adjudicate this in my own game. Because you don't play in my game and I don't play in yours. You wouldn't allow it, fine and dandy. But, I don't play Wiseblood D&D, I play Hussar D&D. Which means that when we're discussing game mechanics, it would be very helpful to actually stick to the mechanics and not idiosyncratic interpretations of them. But, there's the difference. The DM has to allow the PC to either commission the potion or go to the magic shoppe. It's out of the players hands. If the PC is in a location where neither are available, then he cannot do it. The potion is equivalent to the demon+wish. I have no idea why the demon and the wish are being broken apart. One is tied to the other completely. If I summon the demon (which my character can do entirely on his own), and choose a sufficiently vile wish, then I get my wish. Other than determining what is "sufficiently vile" the DM isn't really involved at all. N'raac claims its no different than seeking out a wizard to cast wish. But, again, that's entirely DM dependent. Is there a 17th level wizard floating around? Where is he? Can I get there? How do I find out? Who do I ask? None of that applies to Planar Binding. Paying for the wish is no different than any spell component cost (although probably a lot steeper :D). I need 5000 gp worth of diamond to cast Raise Dead. Does that mean that being able to cast Raise Dead is dependent on diamond miners? Technically, I suppose, yes, but, honestly, how often is that ever actually played out at the table? You cast the spell, you mark off your spell component cost and move on. Which is pretty much exactly how Planar Binding works. [/QUOTE]
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