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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wicht" data-source="post: 6209439" data-attributes="member: 221">Okay, granted there are more rules for wizard spells than for a fighter being able to hire a wizard (though those rules are in there), but that does not ipso facto prove the wizard is more powerful than the fighter. It only proves that Dungeons and Dragons' spells traditionally require a more rigid structure than social interactions. But less rules cuts both ways... there is nothing, for example, in the rules, actually preventing the fighter from hiring a wizard, while there are things spelled out in the rules which might prevent the wizard from getting his spell to work exactly as he wants. As for hoops, the fighter that wants to hire a wizard has perhaps one or two hoops... a sufficient Knowledge (local), and/or Diplomacy check, and then the ability to pay for the wizard's services (with the caveat of DM approval).  The wizard summoning the Demon must cast two or three spells, make one or more Charisma rolls, risk life and soul, and then pay a substantial price for the demon's services (with the caveat of DM approval).  If the fighter does not succeed (or his wizard messes up) he must hire a new wizard.  If the wizard character does not succeed there is a possibility he will have to roll up a new character.  I'm not sure that the wizard in this scenario has the better situation.One tangent that occurs to me is that the fighter hiring a wizard is at its core a social interaction and thus demands greater DM involvement in adjudicating than the fighter swinging a sword.  However, and this is, I think, key, the wizard summoning a demon and bargaining with it is also, in my book, a social interaction and therefore requiring of far more DM adjudication than say a magic missile would.  Normally, in using summoning spells in combat, we don't tend to think of the social interaction nature of such spells, but it seems to me necessary that a DM, in approaching the more powerful summoning spells, like Planar Binding, consider them first and foremost as a social interaction, albeit one arranged via magical channels.</blockquote>

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