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<blockquote data-quote="Wicht" data-source="post: 6210982" data-attributes="member: 221"><p>So Hussar, you would feel better if we pointed out that a fighter trying to negotiate with a demon for a wish was going to have the same difficulties as a wizard? Consider it pointed out. The point is that the fighter has the option to arrange it, same as the wizard, albeit through different channels; not that the fighter will have an easier time of it. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Firstly, your reading of simulacrum is rather generous. Generally when you do a polymorph or the like, spell like abilities are not granted. The spell text, as I read it mentions nothing about duplicating spell like abilities so I wouldn't allow it. In point of fact, the spell specifically limits powers to <em>Special Abilities</em> appropriate for the HD, which for the Glabrezu would be rend. The creature is an illusion, not the real thing. A DM would be well within the rules to never give a simulacrum the ability to grant wishes (or cast any other spells for that matter; at least without using other spells in the creation, or via DM approval). Besides which, even without the spell text, I know that a 7th level spell should never be used to create a 9th level spell effect ex nihilio, so your understanding of the spell is somewhere flawed. </p><p></p><p>Secondly, I would rule that a lesser planar binding was a type of summoning, which means that the demon and all its gear disappear from the mortal plane once slain. As well, in many cosmologies, when a demon is "slain" on the mortal plane, its not really dead; just barred from returning to the mortal plane for a period of time. </p><p></p><p>Thirdly, such bad faith summoning is not going to make demon lords happy with you. </p><p></p><p>Now, let me hasten to point out that a fighter which pays for a demon to be summoned in the same way is going to have identical problems.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wicht, post: 6210982, member: 221"] So Hussar, you would feel better if we pointed out that a fighter trying to negotiate with a demon for a wish was going to have the same difficulties as a wizard? Consider it pointed out. The point is that the fighter has the option to arrange it, same as the wizard, albeit through different channels; not that the fighter will have an easier time of it. Firstly, your reading of simulacrum is rather generous. Generally when you do a polymorph or the like, spell like abilities are not granted. The spell text, as I read it mentions nothing about duplicating spell like abilities so I wouldn't allow it. In point of fact, the spell specifically limits powers to [I]Special Abilities[/I] appropriate for the HD, which for the Glabrezu would be rend. The creature is an illusion, not the real thing. A DM would be well within the rules to never give a simulacrum the ability to grant wishes (or cast any other spells for that matter; at least without using other spells in the creation, or via DM approval). Besides which, even without the spell text, I know that a 7th level spell should never be used to create a 9th level spell effect ex nihilio, so your understanding of the spell is somewhere flawed. Secondly, I would rule that a lesser planar binding was a type of summoning, which means that the demon and all its gear disappear from the mortal plane once slain. As well, in many cosmologies, when a demon is "slain" on the mortal plane, its not really dead; just barred from returning to the mortal plane for a period of time. Thirdly, such bad faith summoning is not going to make demon lords happy with you. Now, let me hasten to point out that a fighter which pays for a demon to be summoned in the same way is going to have identical problems. [/QUOTE]
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