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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6244090" data-attributes="member: 22779">Again, fair enough.  But, can I criticise the AOO rules in 3e using only the 1st printing 3e PHB?  How about the magic creation rules?  After all, there are very, very large differences simply between first and second printings of the 3e PHB, let along 3e to 3.5.I've typically tried to stick fairly close to core to core.  But, I also consider errata to be part of core.  There's no point in beating a dead horse here.  We all agree, by and large, that the original presentation of skill challenges was less than it should have been.  It wasn't very good.  You can argue how bad it was, but, no one is stepping up and saying it was great.Or, instead, we can look at Skill Challenges as they are presented towards the end of 4e, after thousands of play hours of improvements and revisions and say, "Yup, they got it pretty all right at the end there".  Pretty much affording the same advantages to 4e as you want to allow for 3e.  I mean, good grief, you've got massive revisions to a great deal of 3e, and that's what we're using as a baseline.  3e as of 2007, not 3e as of 1999.  Why insist on ignoring all the stuff that comes later for 4e?  I actually agree with you and have done so repeatedly in this thread on the idea of variants changing class balance.  As I said, WAYYY back, if I ran 3e again, the core casters would be ejected in favour of Favored Soul and Sorcerer.  Play to about 10th or 12th level and we're good to go.  I would generally have no balance issues, at least as far as casters are concerned, in that campaign.But, please, in these discussions, bear in mind that [MENTION=6696971]Manbearcat[/MENTION] et al are arguing SC's as of 2012, not 2008.  You can keep belabouring the point about the original presentation, but, it doesn't really matter.  No one, other than you folks, are actually talking about that.</blockquote>

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