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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 4561971" data-attributes="member: 35909">Do you have any general plans on how you would go about winning?&nbsp; Direct damage?&nbsp; Pound out save-or-loses till it rolls poorly? Battlefield Control doesn't look like an option for you.&nbsp; Really, without the means to fight it from another plane of existence (like going ethereal + Transdimensional Spell feat), I don't see how you can survive a one-on-one.&nbsp; The mature red dragon is CR 18, old is CR 20.&nbsp; That is for a four person party, and at the &quot;high end&quot; of the CR scale.&nbsp; You have a lot of offensive spells that rely on the foe failing a fortitude save (blindness/deafness, baleful poly, disintegrate) to be meaningful at all or even work, with DC 17-25.&nbsp; The red dragon will have a fort save of +20 or +23, assuming he does not buff it further.&nbsp; These spells will be worthless.It's breath attack will do 12 or 14d10, which will probably take off a third your health even if you save.&nbsp; It just doesn't look like good odds.Someone suggested Shivering Touch, which would basically auto-win the fight (it does 3d6 dex damage, not a penalty like ray of enfeeblement).&nbsp; I didn't because a) it's a really broken spell and b) I was assuming you weren't able to replace any of your current spells.&nbsp; If your DM doesn't mind it, though, it's in Frostburn, and I suppose you could get it on a scroll even if you aren't allowed to re-do your spells known.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 4561971, member: 35909"] Do you have any general plans on how you would go about winning? Direct damage? Pound out save-or-loses till it rolls poorly? Battlefield Control doesn't look like an option for you. Really, without the means to fight it from another plane of existence (like going ethereal + Transdimensional Spell feat), I don't see how you can survive a one-on-one. The mature red dragon is CR 18, old is CR 20. That is for a four person party, and at the "high end" of the CR scale. You have a lot of offensive spells that rely on the foe failing a fortitude save (blindness/deafness, baleful poly, disintegrate) to be meaningful at all or even work, with DC 17-25. The red dragon will have a fort save of +20 or +23, assuming he does not buff it further. These spells will be worthless. It's breath attack will do 12 or 14d10, which will probably take off a third your health even if you save. It just doesn't look like good odds. Someone suggested Shivering Touch, which would basically auto-win the fight (it does 3d6 dex [b]damage[/b], not a penalty like ray of enfeeblement). I didn't because a) it's a really broken spell and b) I was assuming you weren't able to replace any of your current spells. If your DM doesn't mind it, though, it's in Frostburn, and I suppose you could get it on a scroll even if you aren't allowed to re-do your spells known. [/QUOTE]

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