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<blockquote data-quote="Shin Okada" data-source="post: 4562430" data-attributes="member: 1956">One on one fight against 400+ years old red dragon, that is tough.Overcoming the Dragon's SR still seems to be the main problem. If the Red Dragon is Old, SR is 24, or 28 if the DM gives him Awaken Spell Resistance feat. And you have only few spells which can ignore SR. I suggest you to buy some item (scrolls or wand) of Assay Spell Resistance, seriously.And, expect the Red Dragon to do something you are not predicting. Your play group is using many supplements including Draconomicon and Dragon Magic. That means, the Red Dragon is not likely to be of simple build within core rules. He may have feats, skills &amp; items from various supplements. Even within core rules, Red Dragons are tricky as they can learn cleric spells, too (thus, say, may cast Restoration or similar spell to remove ability damages from Shivering Touch, casting Silence while using Silent Spell for himself, etc.). So I recommend you to learn Limited Wish anyway. Anything may happen. And your spells known may not solve that situation. You need versatility.Gathering information beforehand could be the key to win. Use skills and spells (including items) to gather as much information about the dragon as possible. Dragon of that age must be famous and thus people in the area should know something or have records about it. Buying scrying item may help, too.If you can cast Summon Monster VIII. You may likely to let the summoned monster fight alone while you are watching the fight from safe place (say, while hiding with Hide from Dragons spell or using Scry and such). You don't need to win the dragon in a single fight.And, don't try to win it with a single fight. You can always retreat with your Greater Teleport spell when you find something wrong.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shin Okada, post: 4562430, member: 1956"] One on one fight against 400+ years old red dragon, that is tough. Overcoming the Dragon's SR still seems to be the main problem. If the Red Dragon is Old, SR is 24, or 28 if the DM gives him Awaken Spell Resistance feat. And you have only few spells which can ignore SR. I suggest you to buy some item (scrolls or wand) of Assay Spell Resistance, seriously. And, expect the Red Dragon to do something you are not predicting. Your play group is using many supplements including Draconomicon and Dragon Magic. That means, the Red Dragon is not likely to be of simple build within core rules. He may have feats, skills & items from various supplements. Even within core rules, Red Dragons are tricky as they can learn cleric spells, too (thus, say, may cast Restoration or similar spell to remove ability damages from Shivering Touch, casting Silence while using Silent Spell for himself, etc.). So I recommend you to learn Limited Wish anyway. Anything may happen. And your spells known may not solve that situation. You need versatility. Gathering information beforehand could be the key to win. Use skills and spells (including items) to gather as much information about the dragon as possible. Dragon of that age must be famous and thus people in the area should know something or have records about it. Buying scrying item may help, too. If you can cast Summon Monster VIII. You may likely to let the summoned monster fight alone while you are watching the fight from safe place (say, while hiding with Hide from Dragons spell or using Scry and such). You don't need to win the dragon in a single fight. And, don't try to win it with a single fight. You can always retreat with your Greater Teleport spell when you find something wrong. [/QUOTE]

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