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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 7863173" data-attributes="member: 6987520"><p>Yeah, I knew you would go to the unarmed strikes thing, but since it was after 1:30 AM when I posted, I was too tired to bother addressing that last night.</p><p></p><p>Unarmed Strikes are a <em>special</em> melee weapon attack. The only reason they had to alter it was because they removed Unarmed Strikes from the PHB Weapons Table:</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]116242[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Oh, look, there it was... Too bad, it made it all so much easier and you didn't need to make the exception:</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]116241[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Of course, they did it because they didn't want certain features working with Unarmed Strikes.</p><p></p><p>Now, he had to explain it further in the SA. I found it for you, didn't want you to have to exert yourself:</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]116253[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>So, clearly he says <em>"Similarly, 'ranged weapon attack' means a ranged attack with a weapon."</em></p><p></p><p>Except there is that little thing at the end, that "bit of wording minutia". They have never, as far as I can recall, written "melee-weapon attack" with a hyphen in any text. Nor have they written "ranged-weapon attack".</p><p></p><p>So, again there are features that Crawford doesn't want to work with melee weapons used as ranged attacks, such as the -5/+10 of Sharpshooter, right? Big surprise. Just like he didn't want some features working with Unarmed Strikes. Considering his track record for reversing his position on things, I wouldn't rely on Crawford.</p><p></p><p>Finally, consider this:</p><p></p><p>A Fighter with a blowgun and a Fighter with a handaxe both have Sharpshooter. They both gain the first features, so ignore disadvantage for Long range and 1/2- and 3/4-cover, but only the Fighter with the blowgun can use the -5/+10 feature. A 1 damage blowgun can do 11 points, but the handaxe can't... So, that makes <em>lots</em> of sense... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes :rolleyes:" data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> </p><p></p><p>Since you don't want to go over this again, you don't have to reply. This is more for everyone. As I have stated repeatedly, I am fine with SS working with thrown weapons, but the language dictates otherwise. Only the "special" considerations make it "official", but then the feat only half-works for thrown weapons, which is a ridiculous IMO. These silly nuances of attack language could easily have been avoided.</p><p></p><p>Besides, these long posts are startin' t' aggrevate me. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 7863173, member: 6987520"] Yeah, I knew you would go to the unarmed strikes thing, but since it was after 1:30 AM when I posted, I was too tired to bother addressing that last night. Unarmed Strikes are a [I]special[/I] melee weapon attack. The only reason they had to alter it was because they removed Unarmed Strikes from the PHB Weapons Table: [ATTACH type="full"]116242[/ATTACH] Oh, look, there it was... Too bad, it made it all so much easier and you didn't need to make the exception: [ATTACH type="full" width="462px"]116241[/ATTACH] Of course, they did it because they didn't want certain features working with Unarmed Strikes. Now, he had to explain it further in the SA. I found it for you, didn't want you to have to exert yourself: [ATTACH type="full" width="461px"]116253[/ATTACH] So, clearly he says [I]"Similarly, 'ranged weapon attack' means a ranged attack with a weapon."[/I] Except there is that little thing at the end, that "bit of wording minutia". They have never, as far as I can recall, written "melee-weapon attack" with a hyphen in any text. Nor have they written "ranged-weapon attack". So, again there are features that Crawford doesn't want to work with melee weapons used as ranged attacks, such as the -5/+10 of Sharpshooter, right? Big surprise. Just like he didn't want some features working with Unarmed Strikes. Considering his track record for reversing his position on things, I wouldn't rely on Crawford. Finally, consider this: A Fighter with a blowgun and a Fighter with a handaxe both have Sharpshooter. They both gain the first features, so ignore disadvantage for Long range and 1/2- and 3/4-cover, but only the Fighter with the blowgun can use the -5/+10 feature. A 1 damage blowgun can do 11 points, but the handaxe can't... So, that makes [I]lots[/I] of sense... :rolleyes: Since you don't want to go over this again, you don't have to reply. This is more for everyone. As I have stated repeatedly, I am fine with SS working with thrown weapons, but the language dictates otherwise. Only the "special" considerations make it "official", but then the feat only half-works for thrown weapons, which is a ridiculous IMO. These silly nuances of attack language could easily have been avoided. Besides, these long posts are startin' t' aggrevate me. ;) [/QUOTE]
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